• Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    The right can’t attack the left because the left just laughs at them, but the right can attack the left by pretending to be the most left and then call out the left for not being left enough.

    • _cryptagion [he/him]@anarchist.nexus
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      23 hours ago

      tell me, if liberals are “the left”, then why are they fighting so damn hard against people like mamdani for being leftists?

      if you’re gonna be a fucking idiot, do it somewhere else, so the rest of us don’t have to step in your drool.

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      2 days ago

      Liberals are the right. Please read a book for once in your life…

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        21 hours ago

        Liberalism is not strictly left or right. It’s anti-authoritarian, and authoritarianism is a type of political inequality maintained by a social hierarchy of political subjugation.

        Political scientists recognize leftist liberals

        Political scientists and other analysts usually regard the left as including anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives, and social liberals.

        Modern US liberalism consists of progressives & social liberals. Liberal socialism is a liberal variety of socialism. Social democracy is a form of socialism within liberal democracy. All these ideologies are liberal & leftist, and some are even socialist.

        Maybe you should pick up that book.

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          19 hours ago

          The link you provided doesn’t really back what you’re saying. The anti-authoritarian element is only part of a specific branch of French Liberalism according to this source (not a real source btw) so you aren’t even correct about that really.

          Any dipshit knows that an ideology that is pro-capitalism can’t be leftist. That’s just basic politics really.

          • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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            15 hours ago

            You’re basically admitting to poor reading comprehension & ignorance of references cited in the articles.

            Any dipshit knows that an ideology that is pro-capitalism can’t be leftist. That’s just basic politics really.

            Not talking about capitalism, talking about liberalism: liberal leftists exist. Some are socialist. Political scientists recognize them as leftist. Deal with it.

            As the article you mischaracterize states

            Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy

            not an economic one.

            liberalism is about liberty from unlimited authority

            As the name indicates, liberalism concerns liberty: it’s essentially the position that

            • governments exist for the people
            • individual human rights & liberties are fundamental
            • authority is legitimate only when it protects those fundamental rights & liberties
            • the people have an inherent right to obtain a government with legitimate authority.

            In particular, when their government lacks or loses legitimacy, the people have a right & duty to replace or change that government until it obtains legitimacy. Such a government prohibits unlimited authority, so it’s mutually exclusive with authoritarianism.

            The article continues that liberalism is

            based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law

            which reaffirms earlier points & then some. It emerged from the Enlightenment when the authoritarianism of its time was the exclusive power & social hierarchy of feudal, absolute monarchy & aristocracy.

            Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings and traditional conservatism with representative democracy, rule of law, and equality under the law.

            Anyone who read history or philosophy & thought seriously would know this.