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Liberals when they see Obama

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    yall arguing over puppets.

    we’re all america, we all own this.

    Presidents and Atrocities

    President Key Events (Updated for Trump) Death Toll Estimate Score
    George H.W. Bush (1989-1993) Gulf War civilian deaths; post-uprising abandonments; War on Drugs disparities.[11][12] 20k-100k+ Medium-High
    Bill Clinton (1993-2001) Iraq sanctions (500k+ kids); Balkans bombing; Rwanda inaction.[ prior] 500k+ indirect High
    George W. Bush (2001-2009) Iraq/Afghan wars (1M+); torture programs.[13] 1M+ High
    Barack Obama (2009-2017) Drone strikes (3k-10k); Libya chaos (20k+); 3M deportations.[ prior] 50k+ Medium
    Donald Trump (2017-2021, 2025-) Family separations (5k+ kids, thousands missing); Yemen support (400k+); USAID cuts (14M+ projected by 2030, 100k+ actual so far); COVID negligence (1M+ US).[1][4][8][ prior] 1M+ US + 14M+ global projected High
    Joe Biden (2021-2025) Gaza support (40k+); Afghan withdrawal chaos.[ prior] 50k+ Medium

    Key Impacts of Recent Policies

    Trump’s USAID shutdown (83% cut in 2025) has reversed 91M lives saved (2001-2021), projecting 14M+ excess deaths by 2030 from HIV, malaria, TB, malnutrition—comparable to a pandemic. Israeli support continues U.S. pattern but isn’t uniquely escalated here; no data confirms Venezuelan bombings. ICE/migrant camp claims lack death toll evidence beyond separations, though humanitarian crises persist.[ prior] Both parties bear responsibility, but scale of aid cuts elevates Trump’s current score.[5][6][8][9][1]

    Sources [1] Study Projects Over 14 Million Preventable Deaths by 2030 … https://www.isglobal.org/en/-/mas-de-14-millones-de-muertes-prevenibles-de-aqui-a-2030-si-continuan-los-recortes-a-la-financiacion-de-usaid [2] Tracking Anticipated Deaths from USAID Funding Cuts | SPH https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2025/tracking-anticipated-deaths-from-usaid-funding-cuts/ [3] School of Public Health: Tracking anticipated deaths from USAID funding cuts https://www.pslhub.org/learn/organisations-linked-to-patient-safety-uk-and-beyond/international-patient-safety/school-of-public-health-tracking-anticipated-deaths-from-usaid-funding-cuts-r13173/ [4] USAID cuts may cause 14 million more deaths in next five years, study says https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/07/01/usaid-cuts-aid-14-million-deaths/ [5] Research finds more than 14 million preventable deaths by 2030 if … https://ph.ucla.edu/news-events/news/research-finds-more-14-million-preventable-deaths-2030-if-usaid-defunding [6] Rubio hails end of USAID as study says its elimination could contribute to 14 million deaths in next 5 years https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/01/politics/us-aid-elimination-study-14-million-deaths [7] [PDF] BU researcher warns of 367,000 deaths from halted USAID programs https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/media/som/news/news-logos/BU-researcher-warns-of-367,000-deaths-from-halted-USAID-programs_.pdf [8] USAID shutdown has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ [9] The Shutdown of U.S.A.I.D. Has Already Killed Hundreds of Thousands https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary/the-shutdown-of-usaid-has-already-killed-hundreds-of-thousands [10] “It’s Unacceptable”: BU Mathematician Tracks How Many Deaths … https://www.bu.edu/articles/2025/mathematician-tracks-deaths-from-usaid-medicaid-cuts/ [11] Mehdi Hasan on George H.W. Bush’s Ignored Legacy: War Crimes … https://www.democracynow.org/2018/12/3/mehdi_hasan_on_george_hw_bushs [12] George H.W. Bush leaves mixed record on race, civil rights https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/12/03/george-h-w-bush-race-civil-rights-war-drugs/2197675002/ [13] Criminal complaint against Gerorge W Bush - ECCHR https://www.ecchr.eu/en/case/criminal-complaint-against-bush/

    also, obama is responsible for the largest domestic spying operation in history. Thank you Edward Snowden for your sacrifice. Russian exile is a poor payback by the American citizenry.

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      we’re all america, we all own this.

      Not everyone on the internet is American. From a non-American perspective, it is good you point out that previous presidencies also have a death toll. Doesn’t get much better if you go further back, either.

      Not that chauvanism is a specifically American disease, but I can’t help but think that American exceptionalism means that America is often in denial. Imagine having to explain naming a clothing store Banana Republic, to a survivor of the Guatamalan genocide.

      Weirdly, it’s actually quite reassuring from a non-American perspective. Trump’s bad, but not exceptionally so.

      Sure he’s stabbing Europe and Ukraine in the back, but Bush and Obama helped cause and perpetuate a refugee crisis that seriously destabilized the EU and helped fuel the rise of the far right. Not as if Biden was particularly quick in delivering weapons to Ukraine either. Obama’s reaction to the annexation of Crimea wasn’t stellar either.

      Sure, he’ll probably invade Venezuela, but Maduro is no Allende, and the leader of Venezuela’s opposition is no Pinochet.

      Sure, he’s tariffed South East Asia, but he’s not going to start another war in Vietnam or bomb Laos.

      Sure, he bombed Tehran, but it’s not as if he overthrew the democratically elected government, and paved the way for the Islamic Revolution. That was Eisenhower.

      Sure, Trump’s supporting Netenyahu. But under Reagan the US arguably helped Iraq build chemical weapons, knowing that Saddam would use them against the Iranians and Kurds.

      Sure, Trump’s a racist who has a contentious relationship with African leaders, and is perpetuating the myth of a white genocide in South Africa. But it’s not like he had Lumumba, the democratically elected leader of newly indepenent Congo murdered, that happened under Eisenhower. An assassination that would arguably ultimately result in the first and second Congo war, and the death of roughly 5 million people.

      It should be reassuring for Americans too.

      Sure, ICE is bad, but it’s not like he’s put 120,000 people in concentration camps like Roosevelt did. He hasn’t deported up to 2 million Mexican and Mexican Americans either, like happened under Hoover. Not yet, at least.

      Cheer up America. This is business as usual. This is America. Don’t catch you slippin’ now.

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