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It’s an ecosystem where you - not some incellionaire obsessed with eugenics - own your digital identity.
I’m stealing the term “incellionaire”.
The problem isn’t that the fediverse isn’t viable. The problem isn’t that it’s “too complicated.” The problem is that the giants of Silicon Valley have spent 20 years convincing us that anything outside their control isn’t worth our time.
it’s been happening for longer than 20 years and; OH BOY; HOW I WISH that people could see that how this type of convincing permeates everything we see and do.
We’ve all seen what happens when social media platforms treat users as a commodity rather than a community.
Creators who built entire careers on centralized platforms, only to see their reach strangled and manipulated by “bonus” programs and algorithms.
Friends and networks erased overnight by corporate priorities and billionaire egos.
Whole communities forced into digital exile because they didn’t fit the new monetization strategy.
this has been happening since the days of bbs and icq; the only thing that has changed is the increased granularity of the scope of the wrecking balls that they unleash on their users in search of profit and the people flocking to other centralizing hubs like bluesky or even mastodon will have to repeat this history.
I find Mastodon is avoiding this problem at least so far. Pretty much all the instances are run by volunteer efforts and they’re community funded, avoiding the problem with the profit motive. The federation aspect of Mastodon also makes it commercially unappealing because content doesn’t propagate as easily and this makes it difficult for people to build up huge followings the way they do on centralized platforms.
My view is that Mastodon or Lemmy approach works pretty well in practice. You end up with fairly small hubs of thousands of users that can create their own social norms, and then these hubs loosely federate with each other.
I find Mastodon is avoiding this problem at least so far…
so too has bluesky… so far
my view is that social media platform enshitification is spurred on for multitudes of reasons and most of them have been around profit motives so far.
reddit began to enshitify as it grew more centralized out of a need to maintain its sizeable userbase and before their profit motive became central to their strategy; as evidenced by their multiple userbase diasporas in the last decade+ before the reddit blackout protest over api fees.
twitter, facebook, et al. have gone through similar diasporas and their expat users are centralizing around other platforms, including fediverse instances, that use their new found leverage from their equally new found majorities to take actions, like defederations, that remind us that there’s always new ways to enshitify.
the fediverse’s design handles well the form of enshitification that comes from profit motives; but the last 30 years proves that there’s multiple forms of enshitification and i think we’re going to learn new forms of enshitification from centralizing examples like mastodon or .world or .ee who will use the leverage given to them by thier relatively gargantuan userbase sizes to dictate the future trajectory of both the fediverse and the lemmyverse.
I fully expect bluesky to go the way of twitter eventually. Even though the protocol is somewhat decentralized, the reality is that there’s already one main instance and that’s where majority of users will end up. It’s still an oligarch owned and profit driven platform at its core.
I do think the situation with the fediverse is fundamentally better because the profit motive isn’t the driving factor. And yes, we do have big liberal bubbles here too, but that’s just an artifact of the fact that liberalism is still the dominant ideology in the west. It’s not surprising that they will be the majority on any western social platform.
like how the profit seeking stewards forced people to leave reddit and twitter (and bluesky in the future); the liberal bubble stewards have pushed lemmings away and onto the few minority instances that still remain federated and once lemmy’s code base is forked those minority instances will become a digital cuba or venezuela; ostracized and obscured leftist islands, but without a china or brics that could ever change this status quo.
You can’t solve what’s fundamentally a social problem with technology alone. Technology is simply a piece of the bigger picture where it can provide forums like this where genuine organic communication can happen without it being mediated by corporate interests. However, the shift in the Overton window is ultimately driven by the material conditions. As the standard of living continues to deteriorate in the west, more and more people end up falling out of liberal mainstream. We see this process happening at an ever accelerating rate now.
It is almost like monopolies are bad.
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The photo of the 5 apps, which includes the TestFlight “Loops” , sums it all up perfectly.
I could read it without logging in. Only tried on Android Fennec
I could read as well
Not sure what you’re talking about, never experienced that in Lemmy links. I’ll check this one later when I’m on PC
It does exactly the same thing when I click through on your profile link from Mastodon and click the top-most link under your profile
Y’all got sold a bill of goods and seem to be stuck in your own little Walled Garden
If you want to use the lemmy webapp you’re showing in your screen shot, yes, you should register on lemmy. But you can definitely interact with lemmy posts without loggin o creating a lemmy account, as you’re doing right now.
The interface is reddit-like, you must click the small image to view it properly. Not being logged in has nothing to do with it.
If a #Lemmy post has to come with instructions for me to read it properly, not interested
Hard pass on that
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak?
Which link exactly are you trying to open? I think this is on your side but it’s hard to make out what you’re actually trying or which links you are referring to.
“I think this is on your side but it’s hard to make out what you’re actually trying or which links you are referring to.”
This is exactly my point
I’m clicking on the links you’re posting as they appear on Mastodon
I’m on Mastodon v4.3.4 which is the latest version
Why do I have to be logged in to some Lemmy instance to get Lemmy posts to operate with any kind of sanity?
I don’t
Since I still don’t know which link you are talking about I don’t know. Lemmy Posts including this one are visible without logging though, hence my question which link you’re trying.
(I’m not posting any links right now so I wonder what’s appearing on mastodon)
