While this isn’t a major security concern and doesn’t impact privacy, it still needs to be addressed. Meanwhile, those not confortable with this situation can download an alternative web browser from App Lounge.
How can he say this about the web browser? The one app that is used all the time to display pretty much everything by almost every other app.
And, of course, there’s all the crying because they are being called out on their lies.
Out there you will find, easily, analysis of technical documentation, developer communications, independent security audits, and user reports revealing a systemic pattern of misinformation, technical obfuscation, and marketing fabrication emanating from Murena’s for years. This has been a problem from the start, for example, this article from 2020:
Another thing to keep in mind is that Murena’s marketing strategy relies heavily on the concept of “Sovereignty.” They promise users a “Googless” experience where the user owns their data. This narrative is compelling to a public weary of surveillance capitalism. However, as has been demonstrated in may deep dives into their so-called “OS”, Murena’s definition of sovereignty is superficial, relying on replacing one centralized provider (Google) with another (Murena Cloud/Qwant), rather than empowering the user with autonomous, secure technology. This marketing strategy only works (barely) by demonizing alternatives like GrapheneOS, which offer proven sovereignty through structural security instead of simple service substitution. Smearing is all they have against something of GrapheneOS’s level.
The worst part is that this leaves less savvy individuals open to being exploited by the likes of Murena and Rob Braxman, potentially making them even more vulnerable to having their data extracted because they believe their systems are actually private. It’s just disgusting.
As I said before, the GrapheneOS community is very passionate about the security and privacy we all need, more so now that everything is a data grab, which explains why they fight tooth and nail when their wonderful and unique work is being attacked. Granted, it’s not a justification, but this is a war we’re in right now, and if we keep doing everything with silk gloves instead of displaying the harsh and dangerous reality, we will lose, and I for one don’t want to lose this fight.
Sorry but you seem to be mixing up privacy and security a couple of times. Those are 2 different things.
As you suggested I tried to search about those security issues, but i could not find anything regarding indepent security audits. I would be interested in it, if you have the links.
This article from Golem is from 2020, so not sure if this is still up to date today. I could find something regarding the browser being an issue and the source from the app lounge.
Where are you forced to use the Murena Cloud? I did not have to make an account of anything. I created a folder for all their preinstalled apps and put them there, as they don’t look great. I heard there was an issue with TTS going to OpenAI, maybe you mean that.
To me after reading into degoogling the last couple of months, there seems to be an exchange of accusations going on between Graphene and e/OS. It might be because both support Google Pixel and they fear about market share.
In my opinion there is enough for both of them and this toxic behaviour is not helping anybody, just the two big ones Android and iOS. I really don’t like the toxic sound mainly coming from the Graphene community, that their solution is the only true one. Which to me seems a bit odd, when they still relying on Google. I am interested to see who their 2nd Hardware supplier will be in the future.
As I see it you can simply summarize it this way:
You want privacy without relying on Google --> e/OS
You want privacy and security but don’t mind using Google --> Graphene OS
For me I am currently using e/OS, as I don’t want to give google any money for a pixel. I might see if the prices drop for a cheap used one to try Graphene.
I am fully aware that e/OS is not as secure as Graphene, but I am no longer relying on Google. But to me this is the compromise I am willing to take.
Here’s the founder of Murena claiming he never claimed it was about security, it’s for privacy via blocking all mass surveillance.
https://community.e.foundation/t/some-clarification-regarding-security-vs-privacy-in-e-os/51839
This is a great example of their BS.
How can he say this about the web browser? The one app that is used all the time to display pretty much everything by almost every other app.
And, of course, there’s all the crying because they are being called out on their lies.
Out there you will find, easily, analysis of technical documentation, developer communications, independent security audits, and user reports revealing a systemic pattern of misinformation, technical obfuscation, and marketing fabrication emanating from Murena’s for years. This has been a problem from the start, for example, this article from 2020:
https://itsfoss.community/t/eos-e-os-e-foundation-disastrous-security-warning-2/4726?hl=en-US
Another thing to keep in mind is that Murena’s marketing strategy relies heavily on the concept of “Sovereignty.” They promise users a “Googless” experience where the user owns their data. This narrative is compelling to a public weary of surveillance capitalism. However, as has been demonstrated in may deep dives into their so-called “OS”, Murena’s definition of sovereignty is superficial, relying on replacing one centralized provider (Google) with another (Murena Cloud/Qwant), rather than empowering the user with autonomous, secure technology. This marketing strategy only works (barely) by demonizing alternatives like GrapheneOS, which offer proven sovereignty through structural security instead of simple service substitution. Smearing is all they have against something of GrapheneOS’s level.
The worst part is that this leaves less savvy individuals open to being exploited by the likes of Murena and Rob Braxman, potentially making them even more vulnerable to having their data extracted because they believe their systems are actually private. It’s just disgusting.
As I said before, the GrapheneOS community is very passionate about the security and privacy we all need, more so now that everything is a data grab, which explains why they fight tooth and nail when their wonderful and unique work is being attacked. Granted, it’s not a justification, but this is a war we’re in right now, and if we keep doing everything with silk gloves instead of displaying the harsh and dangerous reality, we will lose, and I for one don’t want to lose this fight.
Sorry but you seem to be mixing up privacy and security a couple of times. Those are 2 different things.
As you suggested I tried to search about those security issues, but i could not find anything regarding indepent security audits. I would be interested in it, if you have the links.
This article from Golem is from 2020, so not sure if this is still up to date today. I could find something regarding the browser being an issue and the source from the app lounge.
Where are you forced to use the Murena Cloud? I did not have to make an account of anything. I created a folder for all their preinstalled apps and put them there, as they don’t look great. I heard there was an issue with TTS going to OpenAI, maybe you mean that.
To me after reading into degoogling the last couple of months, there seems to be an exchange of accusations going on between Graphene and e/OS. It might be because both support Google Pixel and they fear about market share.
In my opinion there is enough for both of them and this toxic behaviour is not helping anybody, just the two big ones Android and iOS. I really don’t like the toxic sound mainly coming from the Graphene community, that their solution is the only true one. Which to me seems a bit odd, when they still relying on Google. I am interested to see who their 2nd Hardware supplier will be in the future.
As I see it you can simply summarize it this way: You want privacy without relying on Google --> e/OS You want privacy and security but don’t mind using Google --> Graphene OS
For me I am currently using e/OS, as I don’t want to give google any money for a pixel. I might see if the prices drop for a cheap used one to try Graphene.
I am fully aware that e/OS is not as secure as Graphene, but I am no longer relying on Google. But to me this is the compromise I am willing to take.