• stray@pawb.social
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    14 hours ago

    Can a nation be considered to have achieved communism when it still has a hierarchy?

    • SlurpingPus@lemmy.world
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      8 hours ago

      The Soviet Union didn’t even claim to have achieved socialism. Their ideology was that they were supposedly constantly working towards that.

    • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      9 hours ago

      Communism in the Marxist sense isn’t about abolishing hierarchies. When they say they want a stateless society, there will still be oppression but executed by workers which is much besser. Source: read Das Kapital or something. I’m not a Marxist, what do I know

    • dogbert@lemmy.zipOP
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      13 hours ago

      Communists are not people that practice communism (not possible yet), they are people trying to achieve communism as an end goal.

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        7 hours ago

        And shitty communists go around purging other communists in kangaroo courts and show trials.

        Shitty communists impose cults of personality and destroy workers democracy.

        Shitty communists also refuse to learn from a century of shitty communism and still cling to old categories as if they have any meaning today. I mean you can stan Robespierre all you like but in the end of the day, the 1871 Commune was never going to be run by 1789 Jacobins much less fucking bonapartists.

    • Ferrous@lemmy.ml
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      14 hours ago

      The final goal of communism is a worldwide, stateless, classless, moneyless society.

      This has obviously never been achieved, but the socialist and communist factions that use Marxism Leninism to work toward this goal are still nonetheless communist.