• Bababasti@feddit.org
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    2 days ago

    Any left anti-communist that derides vanguards for being authoritarian and “replicating state oppression” also have no understanding of revolutions or left theory.

    You know, you can be anti-authoritarian and still be a communist. Anarcho-Communism is a real thing.

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      2 days ago

      Idk man, if you are against all communist movements in history you’re an anti-communist to me 🤷‍♂️

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        2 days ago

        No! Real communism is when you theorize and speculate on the internet! China, USSR, Cuba, Vietnam, etc. those countries were fake communism!

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          2 days ago

          This comes from the unfortunate viral idea that communism has stages.

          Some people get really attached to this idea, and either become super against it or super for it. Then they end up wanting to either fully concentrate on “lower stage communism” and idolize militaristic aesthetics of early communist revolutions, and the perceived “toughness” and “authoritarianism” they had. In the extreme this becomes shit like the ACP.

          On the other hand, others completely forgo any large scale timeline thinking, and start fantasizing and theorizing about a possible quick jump to “stateless, classless, moneyless” society (which is in itself a misinterpretation of what communism is but that’s another thing completely) in a single revolutionary moment and process.

          There are no stages, communism is not total anarchy either. Communism is the means and methods the working class uses to abolish itself. This should start with a revolution, and continue until it’s finished. This process likely would take many generations. And it would be one continuous revolution. This is communism, this state of affairs. Of the long revolution of self-abolishment of the working class.

          What comes AFTER, is a stateless classless moneyless society. What is dissolved first and when depends on the revolution, but it wouldn’t all be at once, or it would. Who knows.