PrivacyGuide.net mostly has US providers for these and given the current situation with the US, let’s say using US services doesn’t feel very private at all, regardless of how strong the claims are.
I’m not looking for total privacy, but just to start being more private until the EU gets its ducks a row regarding payment systems (VISA and Mastercard still dominate and make you transparent or at least translucid).


Do you mean to say e.g. Proton is not private?
I’m aware of five eyes, but how would that make Proton not private? Simply stating “n eyes” and “agreements with America” comes across strongly as unfounded conspiracy. Can you be much more specific?
First of all, what do you consider private… Meta data is already collected anyway… The next thing is… Compulsion by legislators, and that is exactly where our laws are heading… That is why Proton wants to leave, because it is being forced by law and otherwise the entrepreneurs at Proton will face legal problems.
@IceFoxX @staircase Proton faces the same problems that any commercial organisation faces in that they have to operate according to their local laws and cooperate with their local law enforcement.
They will offer a degree of privacy which is generally useful but you can’t expect them to protect you if you are planning a revolution :)
Oh… wait 3-4 years and then you’ll curse when the states use them against you. If it even takes that long… State Trojans, backdoors, etc. The list is endless… Or the reasons that can now lead to arrests. Political views, religious views, sexual views… it’s becoming more and more of a target. Soon there will be digital IDs, digital euros, and at least one bank account linked to them dont forget age verification. The crackdown on VPNs, etc.