“No war but class war” doesn’t mean you cannot fight or support a defensive war.
If it does, it is an irredeemably stupid position.
The non-revisionist, non-reformist, internationalist socialist position can eat dicks.
If there is an imperialist aggressor invading another country, then the MORAL position is to side against the aggressor. Because regardless of how you feel about the governments (which, fuck all governments, so what’s the point in making that distinction?), the civilians will be feeling the brunt of the war.
There is an imperialist aggressor and it is Russia.
The oblasts involved in this war want to join Russia and voted to join in 2014 after the Ukrainians kicked out the Russian friendly government. They voted to join Russia because they feared that the Ukrainian government was going to oppress them for being Russian speaking ethnic Russians. They were right, In the years between 2014 and 2022 they fought a civil war to leave Ukraine and were not allowed to and Russia intervened. Most of the people living there moved to Russia.
The only irredeemably stupid position is the person who just takes into account 2022 and after and not looking at the whole picture. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And you see zero problems with those elections? No problem with no other country in the world recognising them, no international observers, no voter lists and even with all of that they didn’t vote to join Russia they voted for independence.
But if they voted to stay in Ukraine you would have accepted them?
no international observers
Neither do the US elections, do you accept those?
From my perspective the US and the EU are by far the most evil places on earth that have directly colonized where I live and oppressed the entire world for 400 years and those are the people complaining the loudest. Why should I trust any english speaker that they are in the right or care about anyone or anything except extracting wealth from the rest of us? You people literally have 0 good faith or moral high ground. I don’t view the Russians as more evil as the EU. Europe, including Russia which is part of Europe, is filled with literal devils.
Sorry, I can’t hear you over your staunch adherence to revisionism in favor of authoritarian imperialist powers masquerading as socialist or communist.
“No war but class war” doesn’t mean you cannot fight or support a defensive war.
If it does, it is an irredeemably stupid position.
The non-revisionist, non-reformist, internationalist socialist position can eat dicks.
If there is an imperialist aggressor invading another country, then the MORAL position is to side against the aggressor. Because regardless of how you feel about the governments (which, fuck all governments, so what’s the point in making that distinction?), the civilians will be feeling the brunt of the war.
There is an imperialist aggressor and it is Russia.
The oblasts involved in this war want to join Russia and voted to join in 2014 after the Ukrainians kicked out the Russian friendly government. They voted to join Russia because they feared that the Ukrainian government was going to oppress them for being Russian speaking ethnic Russians. They were right, In the years between 2014 and 2022 they fought a civil war to leave Ukraine and were not allowed to and Russia intervened. Most of the people living there moved to Russia.
The only irredeemably stupid position is the person who just takes into account 2022 and after and not looking at the whole picture. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
And you see zero problems with those elections? No problem with no other country in the world recognising them, no international observers, no voter lists and even with all of that they didn’t vote to join Russia they voted for independence.
But if they voted to stay in Ukraine you would have accepted them?
Neither do the US elections, do you accept those?
From my perspective the US and the EU are by far the most evil places on earth that have directly colonized where I live and oppressed the entire world for 400 years and those are the people complaining the loudest. Why should I trust any english speaker that they are in the right or care about anyone or anything except extracting wealth from the rest of us? You people literally have 0 good faith or moral high ground. I don’t view the Russians as more evil as the EU. Europe, including Russia which is part of Europe, is filled with literal devils.
If you think “the EU and the US are BY FAR the most evil places on earth” then you are just delusional and your opinion is irrelevant
Sorry, I can’t hear you over your staunch adherence to revisionism in favor of authoritarian imperialist powers masquerading as socialist or communist.