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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7224516
Imagine spending 3+ years on staying mad at GNOME to release the most underwhelming software imaginable.
System76 is best known for spreading misinfo and lies about GNOME and other upstreams, selling overpriced re-branded clevos, “being made in America”, loving rust and hyping on twitter and mastodon.
Most of the “backlash” against GNOME comes from the a community that has more opinions than users or just straight up misinformation and spite.
COSMIC is very poorly designed, it might be written in the “memory-safe programming language” but it’s clear that they don’t have a design backbone. They basically created the caricature of GNOME’s adwaita but now you can paint your windows in whatever barf-inducing color you want.
They built an entire new desktop from scratch rather than work with GNOME or KDE and in that amount of time, literally every issue that sparked that redesign was resolved upstream in both aforementioned desktops.
The fact this came from hexbear.net immediately raises some mental alarms in my head. So, before forming an opinion on this matter…I read the GNOME blog post and processed the presented information before deciding: hexshitpost or no. I found the blog post to ultimately be built on a strong foundation of knowledge/sources; written in a neutral and non-combative tone that calls out System76 without being incendiary or unnecessarily cruel. The case being lain out about System76’s many incidents of spreading harmful misinformation about GNOME makes me understand why GNOME is mostly hated these days by most Linux users…
It’s curious that instead of polishing COSMIC before pushing it out in the world, they released a broken version of what should’ve been something cool! I agree, perhaps working with GNOME and KDE would’ve been better if System76 wasn’t going to meaningfully invest in COSMIC’s stability before release. I’m sure they’ll fix it in post launch updates. From my brief experience with COSMIC, it did have the bones for a good DE, however, the polish was lacking. It made me sad and switch to Bazzite.
I did too have a look at the post for the same reasons and did visit some of the links given there. Honestly it looks more to me like tribalism than anything, see for instance comments and discussions here:
https://blogs.gnome.org/seb128/2019/06/27/system76-pop-os-team-should-learn-to-work-with-their-upstreams/
or
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/c67pkm/comment/es6p3zq/
I think by now both groups are so entrenched in their position that they convey things from a strongly biased position and don’t have any desire to find a common ground.
Yeah, tribalism does happen in a lot of tech related spaces in addition to anywhere else in life. I think that GNOME devs and System76 will remain separate FOSS tribes that can never know peace between them. In a lot of cases, I feel that System76 started the hostility. However, GNOME seems fairly entrenched in their own ideas. I don’t find GNOME bad by any means, it’s just a REALLY opinionated DE that I can tolerate in little doses. I much prefer KDE for the flexibility it grants without installing a lot of extensions.
If you actually interact with Hexbear, you fill find meaningful and balanced interactions from an actually leftist & progressive perspective, just FYI.
Don’t believe all the slander you hear BTW.
Sure, buddy, all the love for CCP, Vladimir Putin, Mao Zedong is slander…HexBear is basically lemmy.ml with a mask on. That has a similar issue of somewhat sane topic based communities with all the Authoritarian bootlicking in different places. The second you slander any of these revered authoritarian bully in their subs (usually in relevant places like news), you’re reported and face banning.
“Leftists” who love the CCP, Vladimir Putin, Mao Zedong,
<insertAuthoritarianBullyHere>, etc.The denizens of HexBear are temporarily inconvenienced dictators in waiting.