DDR4 compatibility held on for a while though after AM5 was full DDR5.
The only real issue they had which has led to the current dire straits is the 13th/14th gen gradual failures from power/heat which they initially tried to claim didn’t exist. If that didn’t happen AMD would still have next to no market share.
You still find people swearing up and down that intel is the only way to go, even despite the true stagnation of progress on the processor side for a long, long time. A couple of cherry picked benchmarks where they lead by a miniscule amount is all they care about, scheduling / parking issues be damned.
I don’t disagree that intel has been shit for a long time, but they were still the go to recommendation all the way through the 14th gen. It wasn’t until the 5800x3d came along that people started really looking at AMD for gaming… and if you’re not doing a prebuilt odds are you wanted the fastest processor, not the one that is most efficient.
I had a 5800x because I didn’t want yet another intel rig after a 4790k. Then I went on to the 5800x3d, before the 9800x3d now. The 5800x was behind intel, and for me it was just a stopgap anyway because a 5950x was not purchasable when I was building. It was just good enough.
As someone who lived through the fTPM firmware issue on AM4… I can confidently state that the tpm freezes were a dealbreaker. If you didn’t use fTPM and had the module disabled, or you updated your firmware after release you were fine - but the ftpm bug was for many, MANY years unsolved. It persisted for multiple generations. You could randomly freeze for a few seconds in any game (or any software) at any time… sometimes only once every few hours, sometimes multiple times in the span of a few minutes. That’s not usable by any stretch for gaming or anything important.
Prebuilt have all kinds of hardware and unfortunately many users go with those. I offered to do a 265k 5070ti build for my brother’s girlfriend but he instead spent the same amount on a 265k 5070 32gb 5200mhz prebuilt. He does some dev work and she does a tiny amount of creative work and honestly I think he wanted to make sure her system was inferior to his. 1 year warranty and you have to pay to ship the whole system in if there’s any issues. He wouldn’t even consider AMD or going with a custom build like I do for myself and others (just finished another intel build over the weekend for a coworker, diehard intel even after the issues…)
In the custom build world I think you find more gamers and people who want the fastest gear they can afford, which is why we see gamers picking up AMD x3d chips today. They aren’t beaten and aren’t just the most expensive option.
AM5 as a platform still has issues with memory training, though it’s largely set it and forget it until you reboot after a month or dont have memory context restore enabled in bios.
I’m less familiar with the intel side nowadays despite literally just doing a build. They seem to win on boot times unless you accept the instability of AMD’s fast boot memory check bypass stuff. Getting a government bailout though is enough to make me want to avoid them indefinitely for my own gear so I doubt I’ll get much hands on with the current or next gen.
This might be true for the top of the line builds, but for any build from budget to just below that Ryzen has been a good and commonly recommended choice for a long time
Worse product and worse consumer practices (changing sockets every 2 generations) made it an easy choice to go with AMD.
DDR4 compatibility held on for a while though after AM5 was full DDR5.
The only real issue they had which has led to the current dire straits is the 13th/14th gen gradual failures from power/heat which they initially tried to claim didn’t exist. If that didn’t happen AMD would still have next to no market share.
You still find people swearing up and down that intel is the only way to go, even despite the true stagnation of progress on the processor side for a long, long time. A couple of cherry picked benchmarks where they lead by a miniscule amount is all they care about, scheduling / parking issues be damned.
Oh hell naw, the issues with Intel came up much sooner.
Ever since Ryzen came out, Intel just stagnated.
I don’t disagree that intel has been shit for a long time, but they were still the go to recommendation all the way through the 14th gen. It wasn’t until the 5800x3d came along that people started really looking at AMD for gaming… and if you’re not doing a prebuilt odds are you wanted the fastest processor, not the one that is most efficient.
I had a 5800x because I didn’t want yet another intel rig after a 4790k. Then I went on to the 5800x3d, before the 9800x3d now. The 5800x was behind intel, and for me it was just a stopgap anyway because a 5950x was not purchasable when I was building. It was just good enough.
As someone who lived through the fTPM firmware issue on AM4… I can confidently state that the tpm freezes were a dealbreaker. If you didn’t use fTPM and had the module disabled, or you updated your firmware after release you were fine - but the ftpm bug was for many, MANY years unsolved. It persisted for multiple generations. You could randomly freeze for a few seconds in any game (or any software) at any time… sometimes only once every few hours, sometimes multiple times in the span of a few minutes. That’s not usable by any stretch for gaming or anything important.
strongly disagree. Prebuilds are mostly overpriced and/or have cheap components and in worst case proprietary connectors.
I build for the best bang for bucks, and at least in my bubble so do others.
Somehow I think you misunderstood my meaning.
Prebuilt have all kinds of hardware and unfortunately many users go with those. I offered to do a 265k 5070ti build for my brother’s girlfriend but he instead spent the same amount on a 265k 5070 32gb 5200mhz prebuilt. He does some dev work and she does a tiny amount of creative work and honestly I think he wanted to make sure her system was inferior to his. 1 year warranty and you have to pay to ship the whole system in if there’s any issues. He wouldn’t even consider AMD or going with a custom build like I do for myself and others (just finished another intel build over the weekend for a coworker, diehard intel even after the issues…)
In the custom build world I think you find more gamers and people who want the fastest gear they can afford, which is why we see gamers picking up AMD x3d chips today. They aren’t beaten and aren’t just the most expensive option.
AM5 as a platform still has issues with memory training, though it’s largely set it and forget it until you reboot after a month or dont have memory context restore enabled in bios.
I’m less familiar with the intel side nowadays despite literally just doing a build. They seem to win on boot times unless you accept the instability of AMD’s fast boot memory check bypass stuff. Getting a government bailout though is enough to make me want to avoid them indefinitely for my own gear so I doubt I’ll get much hands on with the current or next gen.
I’ve had AMDs since forever, my first own build with Phenom II.
They were always good, but Ryzens were just best.
Never used TPM, so can’t comment on that. And most people never used it,
But yes, so many hardcore Intel diehards, it’s almost funny if it wasn’t sad. Like Intels legacy of adding wattage to get nothing in return.
This might be true for the top of the line builds, but for any build from budget to just below that Ryzen has been a good and commonly recommended choice for a long time