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  • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    Going to play devil’s advocate here a bit, but the US has had a continuous state since 1789 for parts of it, since the civil war for other parts, and the late 50s for small bits. It should be half orange, half yellow, with splotches of white.

    The current Chinese state was formed in 1949. This entire map should be white. The Republic of China predates its formation by at least a year, and one could argue by some 30 years.

    • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlM
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      3 days ago

      In the original map, the yellow map areas are for places which have been a part of China for 200-500 years.

      If the same gradiant was applied to a map of the US, the entire map would be yellow or white.

      Noah has labeled the parts in yellow as “not really china”, so following that logic, none of the US would ‘really’ be the US either.

      According to the original map, Orange has been a part of China for longer than the US has existed. For example, the parts of xinjiang that the silk road passes through.

      • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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        3 days ago

        The thing is, no part of the land that currently falls under the Peoples Republic of China has been part of the PRC for more than 100 years, because the PRC didn’t exist before 1949. Almost all of the US predates that, except for (I think) Hawaii.

        Were the Chinese Imperial dynasties the same thing as the PRC is now? And even if it was, the Republic of China was in between the two, and it even still exists.

        So, you can complain about the US, but the Chinese state is MUCH newer, and had a huge fucking war about large swathes of it not wanting to belong to the state relatively recently.

        Both maps aren’t extremely disingenuous.

        • LeninWeave [any]@lemmy.ml
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          3 days ago

          This is historiography without object permanence. By your logic, France only exists since 1958. Russia only exists since 1991. Germany only exists since 1990. You’re being even more ridiculous than the person in the twitter screenshot.