Cet article est aussi disponible en français. This article contains quite a few technical terms, which I will explain these in the following paragraphs, those that are already familiar with these terms may skip to the next section. A basic understanding of linux and it’s desktop environments is assumed. Server side decorations (SSD) is the term for when when the application’s titlebar is drawn by the system and client side decorations (CSD) is the term for when the applications draws it’s own titlebar. KDE prefers the former, while GNOME prefers the latter. KDE and most other desktop environments supports both, while GNOME only supports CSD.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/57302675

an article explaining why GNOME should support SSD, but also arguing against the reasons often given for why they shouldn’t

If someone could repost this to r/GNOME I would appreciate it, since I don’t have a reddit account.

  • Hadriscus@jlai.lu
    52·
    3 days ago

    I’m a bit out of the loop,… but every time I hear about the gnome project it sounds a bit authoritarian and close minded. Maybe it’s because they’re spread thin ? but it seems more like they have tunnel vision. They remind me of Apple

    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      6 hours ago

      Gnome is the apple of the Linux world. It’s their way or the high way, and you have to smack a butt load of mods to make it remotely modifiable.

      • Hadriscus@jlai.lu
        2·
        6 hours ago

        yes, I’ve had to install extensions to add basic things, and some said they were compatible but in fact weren’t… it was complicated

    • warmaster@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 days ago

      I love Gnome, for me… their UI is the most beautiful of any desktop OS. But I had to move to KDE Plasma primarily for all the gaming related features that come out first on Plasma. That led me to see just how much flexibility I was missing.

      Now I greatly value both desktop environments, both visions are valid, but they cater completely different minded users.

      • Hadriscus@jlai.lu
        1·
        2 days ago

        Beautiful, I agree. It looks slick, but that’s not what I am looking for in a tool

    • Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      3 days ago

      Good software should be handled like that, try looking at how the kernel does things.

      Sadly for gnome doing so does not make you automathically good software

      • Hadriscus@jlai.lu
        2·
        2 days ago

        Should a desktop environment use the same philosophy as a kernel ? don’t they have different requirements ? I’m asking as a layman

        • wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
          21·
          2 days ago

          The less options, the better for a new person to jump in. Modern Gnome is a DE I can recommend everyone. ‘It’s like Mac but simpler,’ I advertise it. I like it even as a pro user, though. But even if we, the pro users, couldn’t work with it, that’s okay. Many pro users hate modern Gnome, and use other environments. But having one with limited options and an opinionated design hurts nobody, and helps a lot. I can install it for an elderly parent or a friend, and they can use it without much assistance, as it’s not very far from their tablet or smartphone.

          • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
            4·
            18 hours ago

            I’d say KDE Plasma 6 with one of the one-button global theme modifications can do everything you’re promising, while resulting in a simpler and more familiar layout.
            More options help everyone, whether they use them or not.

            • wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
              1·
              14 hours ago

              My perception of Plasma is that’s too complex, even for me. While Gnome’s logic is very different, it’s not difficult to grasp, to be effective with it.

              Anyway, if we’d go with the theme. Are there some you’d like to recommend? I’m still balancing between going with Gnome and teaching them it, and just going with the Plasma and making it similar to what they had.

                • wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
                  1·
                  22 minutes ago

                  What you meant is not simple, but rather familiar. While I agree, my mother used Windows for many years, but she forgot that experience partially, due to using iPad for like 15 years. So, Gnome is simpler for her, add it’s similar to her most recent experience.

      • Björn@swg-empire.de
        1·
        2 days ago

        If they would just take it a step further and embraced the Kernel’s most important “don’t break userspace” rule.