The Context
Federal agents shot and killed a 37-year-old Minneapolis resident on Saturday, prompting renewed clashes between law enforcement officers and protesters demanding an end to the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown. The man who was shot as Alex Jeffrey Pretti, an intensive-care nurse.
Videos analyzed by The New York Times contradict accounts given by Homeland Security officials about the shooting. They said the man approached Border Patrol agents with a handgun and the intent to “massacre” them. Footage of the encounter shows the man was holding a phone in his hand, not a gun, when agents take him to the ground and shoot him.
The Posts
There are several Flaired Users Only™ posts about this:
BREAKING: Video of ICE-Involved Shooting Near Glam Doll Donuts in South Minneapolis on Nicollet Avenue Just Dropped – Here Are The Details! - +1066 / 2049 Comments
Federal agents involved in Minneapolis shooting, DHS says suspect was armed - +413 / 881 Comments
Alleged Armed Suspect Shot and Killed During Struggle With Border Patrol - +240 / 326 Comments
New Footage Which Appears to be from the [angle of the lady in pink] - +536 / 304 comments [DELETED]
Editor’s Note: I apologize for posting “Yet another r/Conservative post” so soon after my last one. However, I believe it’s crucial to document which content is being deleted and what remains on our favorite subreddit. This news story is particularly important, and I want to bring attention to it.
The Comments
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This looks horrible
I’m all up for defending ice… This looks horrible. [DELETED]
You’re all for defending ICE until an armed extremist impedes them, attacks them, and resists arrest? Sure thing fellow conservative.
Happy none of the agents were hurt. [DELETED]
maga rhetoric aside… The optics surrounding this looks horrible. This will not make things better
Looks fine to me.
who fucking cares. the left will lie no matter what. the other day they were saying ice arrrested a five year old. the fucking optics??? that’s 2015 level thinking. we are in a state of cold civil war. it might get hot. we will deport, we will not be deterred. insurrection act now.
Dude they were trying to arrest had a 9mm, refused to disarm, resisted arrest, and found out.
The scene was chaotic, but it looks like the cops mostly had control and the dude was face down the whole time.
You’re a legitimate fucking moron. It’s people like you that are a detriment to the conservative movement. [DELETED]
Having a opinion is a problem?
But that’s ok, and if we are indeed true conservatives and proponents of free speech, we should embrace the opportunity for debate, not diminish it.
You’re not conservative. Save it.
Dude did you see the video? He mightve been interfering, for sure. But they disarmed him and had him almost spread eagle on the ground.
You can’t see shit in those videos. You’re making up shit in your pea brained head.
Only Issue is overkill
Only issue I see is overkill. Yes, make sure the threat is neutralized but that guy turned into a pinata for bullets at the end. [DELETED]
That wasn’t overkill at all.
There’s no such thing as overkill.
lol keep it coming I love the salty messages too mag dumping trash really does it for me 😘
This isn’t a video game. You pull the trigger until you are 1000% the threat has been neutralized. There is nothing more dangerous than a wounded person that could still be in possession of a weapon.
Weird religious rant
As a Christian, I don’t enjoy seeing any of our brothers and sisters go through pain or suffrage. It’s difficult to watch so much hostility between mankind sometimes. That’s what I see when I watch this video. Not so much someonea dying, that happens every day for various reasons caught off camera for terrible and justified reasons alike. But the conflict that brought that group of people together is what is shocking for me.
Imagine both sides for instance. We have a liberal minded protestor doing what they think is the most justified thing imaginable. I’ve been there before as a young rebellious metal head, and I really feel for the heart of these young protestors just starting life. While at the same time, we have conservative minded federal employees doing what they think is the most justified thing imaginable. Been there recently as an older person who understands the legality and purpose of immigration laws. It doesn’t matter where you fall onto the argument today, this is frightening to consider, the current state of our country.
Instead of viewing eachother as brothers and sisters, we now see each other as threats to the very thing we believe are the most justified thing our country should focus on. Which is fucking terrifying. We are losing touch of what made MLK Jr and Reagan great compromising leaders.
I guess what I’m saying is, 15 years ago this could have been myself and probably many modern conservatives today who grew up with the Occupy Movement. Radical youths trying to document events like John Reed. What is shocking in comparison is the level of direct interaction with police. In the past, we would work with police and manage crowds together. I’m not sure what has changed but we have lost something that once made liberal protests safe for families and the rich to attend, which are the financial backbone of these movements (historically).
It’s sad to see so many of our brothers and sisters going through so many trials and turmoil while trying to do what they think is right. How can we ever get back to a unified nation again where we all respect the police, the law, and respect our right to civil protest? [DELETED]
Looks like he was disarmed before he was shot
At 18-19 seconds it looks like the guy who proceeds to run straight toward the camera pulls the weapon off the subject. He is holding the gun aimed down and runs away to cover, I presume just as a get the weapon away kind of thing. And from the footage it looks similar to the gun that’s been shown.
This is before the first gunshot that I hear. This makes it look like it wasn’t the subject’s weapon that went off AND, technically, had been disarmed BEFORE the first shot is fired. [DELETED]
Is that a cop or just some rando jumping into the fray???
Looks like an agent. As he’s running towards the camera can pretty clearly see a pretty official looking vest on under his jacket.
The first gunshot is from the the guy who lost his life. That’s why there was a several second gap. Once he started shooting, that’s when the officers respond. It takes a second or so to draw a weapon.
I don’t hear anything until after I can already see the gun in the grey jacket dude’s hand and he is already starting towards the camera…
That gun never fires as far as I can tell.
We need to see the footage from the woman in pink in the background
Definitely. It looks like the olive vest black hat dude immediately to the right of the grey jacket guy who gets the gun might have his weapon pulled. I think I can see it in his right hand, being held sort behind his back, just as the guy who walks in front clears so we have visibility, the next frame or so his hands are out of view again.
So dunno if it’s him that takes the first shot. He pumps multiple shots in after, he’s the one who winds up over to the left firing away towards the end of it. Just can’t tell with this video.
Why did he need to be armed?
Why would a mostly peaceful protestor need to be armed with a 9mm? [DELETED]
Because he has a 2nd amendment right to bear arms, whatever got him into the situation BEFORE the shooting is what we need to know.
It’s your constitutional right to carry that 9mm that’s why.
Yes it is, however any rational CCW holder or supporter will tell you that even appearing to reach for it during an interaction with any law enforcement is extremely stupid.
Going to need a few more details before I rush to judgement on this situation.
I agree, I’m not defending that part, I’m merely replying to the comment of “why would a supposed peaceful protestor be carrying a 9mm?!?” (Legally of course)
No conservative should be okay with this happening
Someone watch the video before commenting. Was completely fucked up and no small government conservative should be okay with this stuff happening. [DELETED]
Was completely fucked up and no small government conservative should be okay with this stuff happening.
So what’s your suggestion about what to do about it? Mass amnesty? Just throw more money at social programs? Ignore the problem and let everyone just disobey any law they don’t like? ICE agents just let themselves be shot/stabbed/run over?
Do you seriously think a well-trained force would have been unable to stop this guy? As far as I can tell ICE went on a hiring spree and are just throwing bodies w/ guns at the problem without really training them.
Of course I’m not in favor of mass amnesty but the lack of professionalism, the piss-poor execution that is absolutely eroding public trust in our rights as citizens, and the administration’s seeming unwillingness (we’ll see what happens here) to address this shit or punish those that are abusing their positions is dangerous and bad for our rights as Americans in the long run.
You really think it’s either mass amnesty, anarchy, or what we’re seeing in Minneapolis? Are those truly the only options you can consider? [DELETED]
If you pull a gun, all that shit goes out the window. At that point, it’s a matter of stopping the threat using any available force.
The “anarchy” that’s happening is because democrats are convincing people they don’t have to comply with law enforcement.
There was a much greater sense of urgency than there should have been to get ICE ramped up, because we just came off a couple of years of ushering in anyone who said they were scared to live in their country, and in 3 years, it could be the same. It’s more than the left’s lack of cooperation in dealing with the large numbers of illegal immigrants. It’s them actively working to increase the numbers, making it worse. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be trained better. But there is a pretty obvious reason why there were not nearly enough trained and experienced ICE officers a year ago. And you aren’t going to have enough trained, experienced ICE officers until there have been enough ICE officers for long enough to get them to their optimal level of experience.
Did you watch the video? Did you have the audio on? You can clearly hear a gunshot go off before any of the ICE agents start shooting…
Should they just let the guy shoot them instead?
Dude had a gun, Shut the fuck up “fellow conservative”.
Don’t call me “fellow conservative” cause there’s no you’re a conservative if you’re supporting this shit. The vast majority of y’all are populists that don’t care how big the government gets as long as it’s your guy in charge.
Well guess what? We still have elections and if you think the pendulum isn’t gonna swing the other way in 2028, leaving a guy like Newsom in charge with all of the precedence that this administration is setting, well, good luck to you.
Idc if the dude had a gun, they’re federal agents that should be able to overcome one man when they have a 5-on-1 advantage. And again, did you even watch the video? The gun seemed to go off on accident. I doubt the guy thought he was about to pull a Doc Holliday while laying on the ground. But these ICE clowns panicked cause and just started blasting, and now a man is dead and we get more protests, more scandal, more polarization, etc. [DELETED]
If you support pulling a weapon on law enforcement, you’re with the left.
We get it, you support cops getting shot, all u had to say.
Ah yes, the totally logical reasoning where being someone who exercises your 2A rights justifies being shot multiple times by immigration after they’ve already tackled you and have you restrained. [DELETED]
They didn’t have him restrained, and he was still fighting. Don’t get into altercations with law enforcement, especially if you’re armed. He should’ve complied with lawful orders. The fact you’re arguing against that tells me you’re probably a fellow conservative, too.
Get out of here bot. He shot first and that’s why they unloaded on him. Dont be an idiot and run over a cop, don’t be an idiot and resist arrest with a concealed firearm and then discharge it. FAFO
I don’t feel that way about this one yet. The girl was messed up but if he was reaching for or grabbing a gun he had this coming 100%.
The girl wasn’t messed up at all? She literally hit him with her car before he shot.
Which part?
The part where more than five guys couldn’t restrain one without resorting to mag dumping into him? What other part would be upsetting? [DELETED]
I think you skipped a couple steps in there where the suspect became armed.
I guess you could argue 5 law enforcement should be able to restrain one person, but I think this really speaks to the aggressive, violent, and erratic behavior he was exhibiting.
I thought we had the right to bear arms???
We do. …and when you are being arrested, and law enforcement tells you disarm, and you don’t and resist arrest… you get shot.
There’s no excuse for shooting someone, on the ground, surrounded by 6 officers who apparently are entirely incapable of detaining someone. [DELETED]
Yeah. Hand guns don’t work if you’re lying on the ground, he was no danger to them. [DELETED]
I mean, when that guy has a gun and tries to draw it?
If he had a gun in his hand then hes still a threat even on the ground. Lets wait and see what else is put out but the facts so far are damning for the agitator, not the federal officers.
You can find countless videos of people with knives taking several rounds and continuing to advance on officers. A firearm takes significantly less effort to use. In instances of lethal force against people armed with a gun you dont just fire 1 or 2 shots, you end the threat.
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Lots of FAFO and Victim-Blaming type comments
Yet another one who fucked around and found out.
All they’re doing is causing additional delays and more feds to be brought in. If they truly just want ICE to leave their best approach would be getting the fuck out of the way. But they don’t want them to leave. They’re loving every minute of this.
It sounded like he shot off first. Maybe here’s another solution: DONT GET IN A ALTERCATION WITH OFFICERS WHILE ARMED
Ok class let’s go over the lesson again:
Don’t run over or shoot at law enforcement officers if you don’t want to get shot.
Sounds like he got a shot off first. If you pull a gun on law enforcement. This will happen pretty much 100% of the time.
When you watch the video there’s an audible gunshot before any agent has their weapon drawn. He was definitely armed and by my view looks like he shot first.
The left’s angle is that they disamred him and in doing so it went off by accident then they murdered him.
Why tf was he even there? Why was he messing with ICE agents. Everyone wants to play big boy with a gun but that isn’t how it works.
The left just wants more martyrs for their anti ice bs… they’re happy whenever one of their own is shot by ice.
Every single new camera angle is going to increasingly vindicate the agents. Leftists need to stop pointing firearms at people. It’s that simple.
FAFO. Don’t give a shit.
Im beyond caring about what happens to these agitators who think what they are doing is lawful and justified because of some shit they read on reddit. Blood is on the hands of elected officials like walz and Frey whose rhetoric makes these lunatics think its ok to try and obstruct the law and harm agents. FAFO. Thoughts and prayers.
Some Want Legal/Military Action Against Democrats or the Insurrection Act
Why isn’t the federal government arresting the governor and mayor!!! They are causing this garbage!!! Officers are going to end up dead at this rate if these people are not put away for a long long time. The state is in outright rebellion!
This was an extremely close call. Thank goodness they reacted in time.
At this point, it’s time to send in the army. Invoke the sedition act.
Time to exercise the Insurrection Act. If the governor isn’t going to do what it takes to protect federal officers trying to do their jobs, then the federal government needs to step up and shut the entire state down. Walz and Frey should also be brought up on charges like they attempted to do to Trump for J6.
As awful as this it, it’s absolutely the outcome Frey and Waltz wanted to distract from the massive fraud. They both whipped up a frenzy based on lies knowing full well their lemmings on the left would follow and turn it into another production with this outcome.
It’s sad they encouraged people to aggressively push against law enforcement. This was an obvious outcome they could have prevented.
Can we just charge all these people with obstruction of justice?
The President has no other choice but to invoke the Insurrection Act and possibly Martial Law at this point. Enter the National Guard, Enter the Army and Marines.
Have them keep protests at a safe distance from Ice Agents so they cannot obstruct or confront agents…
This is insane.
A brave few seem to be fighting back (these comments won’t stay up for long)
Why are the mods removing threads on this topic?
IF he was disarmed, as it looks like from the other video, then I don’t see how it was justified.
It wasn’t at all. I have been defending ICE but this is too much.
https://xcancel.com/ryangrim/status/2015132217878384791
I saw all angles. They murdered the dude. Regardless of how “tense” the situation was after somebody yelled “Gun!”. There’s no amount of way in my mind this is tolerable.
As a pro 2A guy, this ain’t right. Dude had a concealed gun (apparently legal) he never (very clearly) reached for.
If they let this slide who’s to say the bar doesn’t keep moving.
Theres one angle where you can see the one who took at least the first few shots. I’m wondering if he saw something like the guy grabbing someones gun or what his reason was for grabbing his gun and firing it into basically a ground of other officers.
The Pink Hair Lady video shows it was clearly ONE SHOT that startles the hell out of everyone and stuns them, with the officers even backing off and the suspect sitting straight up, and only AFTER that moment one of the officers seems to react and fire 2-3 more shots that are the actual killing shots on the suspect.
The only question here is where did the first shot come from that startles everyone? Did someone’s gun accidentally discharge? Did the suspect’s gun accidentally discharge during the scuffle? Did the suspect reach for an officer’s gun while resisting and cause a discharge? Nobody knows yet.
In the deleted post with the new camera angle people start to question the narrative
If they disarmed the guy then shot him… That ain’t good. I hope that is not true
We also need the body cam but it looks like they took the guy’s gun away before the shooting.
I don’t see that though?
Officer on the right, 3 seconds before the shooting starts
Ugh this is a disaster. I’m all for strict laws and deporting illegal aliens, this was not too long ago supported by both Democrats and Republicans alike, but this is not the way. [DELETED]
I am starting to think the same thing. The biggest challenge is have is the left continually speaking about things as literally life or death of the country. This is the result.
The disaster is state leaders riling these morons up to the point they arm themselves and impede ICE.
Radical democrats calling for violence against ICE is not the way.
What is the way? ICE is just trying to do their jobs and they’re being impeded from the top down in leftist states by Democrat leaders who are working people into a frenzy.
Was there a discharge just a couple seconds before the guy got shot? Or is that something else?
Someone was saying he may have accidentally discharged when he had his hand on his gun in his pocket.
Right before the first gunshot you can see an officer in a grey jacket moving quickly away from the others. In the other video view you can see this officer has the suspects gun in his hand.
It does not appear that the claim of the suspect discharging his weapon is accurate.
While the video is pretty bad,
Another talking point, do these idiots think they are doing something by blocking the road and blowing a whistle? Fucking good god man. Shit appears extremely childish to me, personally.
Professional agitators…
I misread your message and thought it was about .ml oops. I actually did hear about this about r/conservative and it doesn’t surprise me a bit