So much focus on the idea that the ICE crackdown is a distraction from the Epstein files makes me wonder if it isn’t the other way around-get people to focus on the idea of a cover up that they don’t resist a fascist takeover as effectively as they otherwise might.

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    I am not USian. I live in one of the countries that the United States recently bombed (figure which). I sincerely ask USians: Is what is in those papers really much worse than everything the administration is already doing and is going to do to you and all the world?

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      In a sane world, any one of the atrocities would be enough to put a stop to these people.

      In a realistic world, shining a light on all these different atrocities would be sufficient to convince enough people to protest/threaten the power of the spineless patricians who refuse to convict and remove the fascists from power. For example if Billy Bob the redneck says “I’m fine with kidnapping brown people but fiddling kids is too far!” then Epstein might convince him to support impeachment/removal.

      In the current clown world we live in, nothing that the fascists say or do will un-brainwash their base, and somehow that’s enough to prevent everyone else from making a cohesive stand against the evil.

      So to answer your question: no, it’s not worse. It’s a desperate attempt to make something start tipping the scale back toward liberty and peace.

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        There’s something that will unbrainwash a fascist, actually. It’s called a weapon. As they said just after WW2, and will continue to say many years from now.

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        So to answer your question: no, it’s not worse. It’s a desperate attempt to make something start tipping the scale back toward liberty and peace.

        I doubt that means much to people out of eyesight and earshot to whom we’ve never allowed to have the same liberty and peace.

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          Sure, and to be clear I mean a liberty and peace that includes everyone that has historically been marginalized and abused by this nation’s governments and by people who think they’re superior to everyone else.

          The problem with a melting pot (particularly one that was started by murdering and stealing land from a continent’s worth of indigenous people) is that it puts bigots right next to the people they hate.

          The benefit of a melting pot is that if the incoming generation can avoid being programmed into hatred by their parents, society trends toward true equality and equity.

          I’m trying to maintain optimism that this current extreme escalation is the flailing death throes of a generation raised into bigotry and self-aggrandization, and that we’ll come out the other side of this being a better society (the younger generations today are so much more openly altruistic and progressive on the whole).

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            I’m trying to maintain optimism that this current extreme escalation is the flailing death throes of a generation raised into bigotry and self-aggrandization, and that we’ll come out the other side of this being a better society (the younger generations today are so much more openly altruistic and progressive on the whole).

            Well, I don’t fault you for any of it. This part will require vigorously investigating, rooting out our liberal narrative, and reeducating ourselves.