Why are people not protesting ? Businesses should stop buying Microsoft licenses and that should force Microsoft to remove bill gates completely from the company. Same should be done with Musk, trump etc.
Why are people not protesting ? Businesses should stop buying Microsoft licenses and that should force Microsoft to remove bill gates completely from the company. Same should be done with Musk, trump etc.
Never is a pretty strong word, plenty of powerful people got roped into Epstein’s prostitution ring and continued associating with him long after the fact. I want to clarify my stance that while Bill needs to see trial over these allegations, especially if minors were involved, that it does not cancel out the good things his foundation has done for the world.
Agreed. So why bring it up?
It’s one thing to say “This man is a criminal who needs to be brought to trial” and a completely different thing to say “This man is pure unconscionable evil.”
Tons of racists and conspiracy theorists have been railing on Bill Gates for decades because of how he’s spent his money: saving dark skinned people.
I understand the principle you’re applying (that a person’s positive and negative actions can be judged separately). My question was more about the conversational relevance.
In a discussion specifically about serious criminal allegations, introducing a person’s philanthropic work often feels like a deflection tactic, whether intended or not. It shifts the focus from ‘Did this bad thing happen?’ to ‘How do we weigh the good against the bad?’
So my ‘why bring it up?’ was really asking: In a conversation about alleged sex crimes, what is the purpose of directing attention to his charity work? Is it to ensure the allegations aren’t overstated, or is it to steer the discussion away from the allegations themselves?
That’s the distinction I’m trying to understand.
I feel like the best possible outcomes for all people do not involve villainizing Bill Gates, and in fact doing so can lead people down paths to right wing extremism. He got an STD from a prostitute according to an unsent draft of an email, if it’s true then it makes him a bad person and criminally liable, it does not make him a villain.
I don’t know enough about the whole Bill Gates tied into Epstein saga. But I will say this=> it kinda reads like “oh noez, I messed up, better do some good in the world to clean up my image preemptively”.
That kinda money just doesn’t happen squaky clean. It doesn’t. Visiting Epstein’s island… at that point he should’ve known he was treading onto the wrong side of history.
That’s nonsequitur to my comment, I’m saying despite his crimes and being a criminal, he is at least more moral than any other billionaire in existence, to say he has never had any conscience is not accurate.
Also, the new information released has, afaik, not mentioned any specifics about places, times, or identities of the girls involved, so as of yet we don’t know that he has ever been to the island.
"A very attractive Swedish woman and her daughter dropped by and I ended up staying there quite late,” Gates wrote in an email to colleagues after one of his meetings with Epstein, according to the New York Times.
And? What you said did neither argue what I said nor confirm.
Gates has provided the specific information you were not aware of.
The meeting with miss sweden and daughter was in 2011, not 2013, and Sweden is not Russian
This is an archived version without the paywall: https://archive.is/20251221221400/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html