• leadore@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    Biden and Harris said plenty about what his actions would be before the election, and the others did as well to some extent. Not enough people were swayed by it. What are they supposed to say now? “Told you so”? Why should they say a damn thing at this point? No one listened when it could have made a difference, what good would it do?

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      16 days ago

      It would be nice to have candidates whose love of country doesn’t end on election night.

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        16 days ago

        That’s not an answer to my question or relevant to my post, which you can re-read if you’d like to actually address my questions. Instead you’ve changed the subject to whether they’ve stopped loving their country. I see no evidence to support that and expect that they are mourning for it like many others are. They tried to lead and the people answered them–they said, “shut the fuck up and give us trump”

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          I’ve had this conversation before, maybe even with you.

          Raging at people who made a dipshit decision voting is understandable, even fun. I’ve done it, too. Felt good. Got me through a dark spell. Now, though, living in the first few pages of The Handmaid’s Tale, we need allies, and it’s counterproductive to keep telling voters what fools they were.

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            16 days ago
            1. I didn’t rage or call voters fools in that post, I just said what happened. Voters picked trump. They didn’t listen or buy into what the Dem candidates offered. They’re not going to listen to them now.

            2. Yes, we need allies, but more than that we need leaders. Calling for the ex-presidents and ex-candidates to be that for us didn’t work and is not going to work. We need new leaders to speak out, guide, define an agenda, inspire people to turn out, to build a movement. I don’t know who they might be, but without them it’s gonna be hard. If you remember Occupy Wall Street, it had a lot of momentum but without defined goals and coherent leadership so it fizzled out. What I’m saying is we aren’t going to get that from the old guard in the headline. They can support it but they can’t be it.

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        15 days ago

        No one is gonna rally around these walking corpses, or the most recent loser. They’re establishment politicians. They can’t communicate in a way that motivates the masses.

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          15 days ago

          Can’t, probably, but won’t, definitely. These are people who took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and didn’t mean it.