The United States has four living ex-presidents — Republican George W. Bush and Democrats Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden — and not one of them is a supporter of President Donald Trump. Obama, Clinton and Biden all supported Democratic nominee Kamala Harris in the 2024 presidential election...
That’s not an answer to my question or relevant to my post, which you can re-read if you’d like to actually address my questions. Instead you’ve changed the subject to whether they’ve stopped loving their country. I see no evidence to support that and expect that they are mourning for it like many others are. They tried to lead and the people answered them–they said, “shut the fuck up and give us trump”
I’ve had this conversation before, maybe even with you.
Raging at people who made a dipshit decision voting is understandable, even fun. I’ve done it, too. Felt good. Got me through a dark spell. Now, though, living in the first few pages of The Handmaid’s Tale, we need allies, and it’s counterproductive to keep telling voters what fools they were.
I didn’t rage or call voters fools in that post, I just said what happened. Voters picked trump. They didn’t listen or buy into what the Dem candidates offered. They’re not going to listen to them now.
Yes, we need allies, but more than that we need leaders. Calling for the ex-presidents and ex-candidates to be that for us didn’t work and is not going to work. We need new leaders to speak out, guide, define an agenda, inspire people to turn out, to build a movement. I don’t know who they might be, but without them it’s gonna be hard. If you remember Occupy Wall Street, it had a lot of momentum but without defined goals and coherent leadership so it fizzled out. What I’m saying is we aren’t going to get that from the old guard in the headline. They can support it but they can’t be it.
It would be nice to have candidates whose love of country doesn’t end on election night.
That’s not an answer to my question or relevant to my post, which you can re-read if you’d like to actually address my questions. Instead you’ve changed the subject to whether they’ve stopped loving their country. I see no evidence to support that and expect that they are mourning for it like many others are. They tried to lead and the people answered them–they said, “shut the fuck up and give us trump”
I’ve had this conversation before, maybe even with you.
Raging at people who made a dipshit decision voting is understandable, even fun. I’ve done it, too. Felt good. Got me through a dark spell. Now, though, living in the first few pages of The Handmaid’s Tale, we need allies, and it’s counterproductive to keep telling voters what fools they were.
I didn’t rage or call voters fools in that post, I just said what happened. Voters picked trump. They didn’t listen or buy into what the Dem candidates offered. They’re not going to listen to them now.
Yes, we need allies, but more than that we need leaders. Calling for the ex-presidents and ex-candidates to be that for us didn’t work and is not going to work. We need new leaders to speak out, guide, define an agenda, inspire people to turn out, to build a movement. I don’t know who they might be, but without them it’s gonna be hard. If you remember Occupy Wall Street, it had a lot of momentum but without defined goals and coherent leadership so it fizzled out. What I’m saying is we aren’t going to get that from the old guard in the headline. They can support it but they can’t be it.