I have observed that you generally cannot have nuanced discussions on a myriad of topics on lemmy as there is a “right” and “wrong” stance in the eyes of the majority here.
Does this mean that you believe in nothing? Because I can’t really interpret it any other way.
Im not really sure how that is the only way you interpreted what I said there…
I believe in all sorts of things. I haven’t really gotten into many political conversations on Lemmy. I have simply seen in other threads I was reading through that the grand majority has their stance and anyone that doesn’t necessarily agree with that stance tends to get downvoted or banned pretty quickly. Not exactly a place of thoughtful debate. More of one group dogpiling a minority opinion until it’s gone.
Sorta like a self sustained echo chamber or something. If anyone comes in with an outside perspective the horde attacks until it’s dead or leaves. Just makes most of the threads kinda boring because it’s a bunch of people all agreeing on everything.
It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.
So you do believe that the positions you hold are correct, that they are “right” rather than “wrong”? Otherwise, why would you hold them?
It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.
I’ve been on this planet for nearly half a century, so I’ve already heard all the so-called “arguments” that are supposed to counter the things I believe. They’re all garbage, and they never change.
So after half a century of being alive you have just decided there’s nothing else to learn and nothing you could be mistaken about. No reason to talk things out and hear others’ opinions. Because you are the oldest wisest human being ever.
I (not the person you answered to) do believe I am right on the opinions I hold, but I’m not certain of it. So I read, and I discourse, and I consider other points of view, in case my opinions could have been mistaken. That won’t mean I will suddenly consider “hey maybe the Nazis were right killing all those people they hated”. There will be some aspects where I won’t budge in my opinion, but most things are nuanced and harder to draw a line for than the nazi example.
But then again, why would what I say matter, all arguments opposed to you are garbage and wrong.
I believe that the opinions I hold currently are the best versions of the opinions I’ve come to have over the course of my life. I used to have very different opinions when I was younger and I am sure many of my opinions on things will shift as I get older. It’s not as black and white/ right and wrong as you are implying. Sure there are some things that have an objectively correct answer like math. 2+2=4 and anyone who is trying to convince you otherwise is either crazy or trying to sell you something. But for most topics they aren’t as simple or straightforward even if some people try to make it that way. It’s more of a scale. Lots of grey.
to sell you something. But for most topics they aren’t as simple or straightforward even if some people try to make it that way. It’s more of a scale. Lots of grey.
Just because there are scales of grey doesn’t mean there are not more correct versions of things depending on your goals. Just because they are not clear does not mean they don’t exist. Simple and straightforwardness have nothing in relation to the correctness of them but the accessibility of that correctness.
We could quibble about where the ‘moderate’ stance actually is, but i find it more refreshing to debate the nuances of differing leftist stances rather than deal with brain-dead reactionary takes that i find in the typical reddit community
I don’t think most Americans realize just how rightward their politics have been pushed over even the last 15 years
American moderates are center right. In most places. You would be correct that America skews right in genral.
As I am an American I am measuring myself based on America’s politics spectrum. I seem to piss off people on both sides of the isle.
I am pro gun. Pro choice. Pro universal health care. I don’t care about sexual orientation you are. I don’t care what consenting adults are doing in the privacy of their own homes. I honestly don’t care about gay marriage or if someone wants to marry their car. I think we didn’t separate church and state enough. Pro free speech.
Mostly I think the government should leave everyone the fuck alone.
And I would feel fairly confident that the commenter was a woman because attacking someones personality (that they don’t know at all) is typically done by women
My brother used to call me glow worm when were growing up because I was so pale that I would “light up the room” when I got out of bed at night to piss when we still shared a room as kids.
We have different dads and his father was Mexican while mine was white as could possibly be.
So I’m used to being called a worm. But not a pathetic one. Usually just a glow worm.
Does this mean that you believe in nothing? Because I can’t really interpret it any other way.
Im not really sure how that is the only way you interpreted what I said there…
I believe in all sorts of things. I haven’t really gotten into many political conversations on Lemmy. I have simply seen in other threads I was reading through that the grand majority has their stance and anyone that doesn’t necessarily agree with that stance tends to get downvoted or banned pretty quickly. Not exactly a place of thoughtful debate. More of one group dogpiling a minority opinion until it’s gone.
Sorta like a self sustained echo chamber or something. If anyone comes in with an outside perspective the horde attacks until it’s dead or leaves. Just makes most of the threads kinda boring because it’s a bunch of people all agreeing on everything.
It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.
So you do believe that the positions you hold are correct, that they are “right” rather than “wrong”? Otherwise, why would you hold them?
I’ve been on this planet for nearly half a century, so I’ve already heard all the so-called “arguments” that are supposed to counter the things I believe. They’re all garbage, and they never change.
So after half a century of being alive you have just decided there’s nothing else to learn and nothing you could be mistaken about. No reason to talk things out and hear others’ opinions. Because you are the oldest wisest human being ever.
I (not the person you answered to) do believe I am right on the opinions I hold, but I’m not certain of it. So I read, and I discourse, and I consider other points of view, in case my opinions could have been mistaken. That won’t mean I will suddenly consider “hey maybe the Nazis were right killing all those people they hated”. There will be some aspects where I won’t budge in my opinion, but most things are nuanced and harder to draw a line for than the nazi example.
But then again, why would what I say matter, all arguments opposed to you are garbage and wrong.
What was the last thing that changed your opinion on something you would consider a substantial influence on how you interact with the world?
I believe that the opinions I hold currently are the best versions of the opinions I’ve come to have over the course of my life. I used to have very different opinions when I was younger and I am sure many of my opinions on things will shift as I get older. It’s not as black and white/ right and wrong as you are implying. Sure there are some things that have an objectively correct answer like math. 2+2=4 and anyone who is trying to convince you otherwise is either crazy or trying to sell you something. But for most topics they aren’t as simple or straightforward even if some people try to make it that way. It’s more of a scale. Lots of grey.
Just because there are scales of grey doesn’t mean there are not more correct versions of things depending on your goals. Just because they are not clear does not mean they don’t exist. Simple and straightforwardness have nothing in relation to the correctness of them but the accessibility of that correctness.
I don’t disagree.
Yeah, at that point we’re playing semantics, then I think since we’re reaching a point of agreeing on the premise of the idea with different terms.
We could quibble about where the ‘moderate’ stance actually is, but i find it more refreshing to debate the nuances of differing leftist stances rather than deal with brain-dead reactionary takes that i find in the typical reddit community
I don’t think most Americans realize just how rightward their politics have been pushed over even the last 15 years
American moderates are center right. In most places. You would be correct that America skews right in genral.
As I am an American I am measuring myself based on America’s politics spectrum. I seem to piss off people on both sides of the isle.
I am pro gun. Pro choice. Pro universal health care. I don’t care about sexual orientation you are. I don’t care what consenting adults are doing in the privacy of their own homes. I honestly don’t care about gay marriage or if someone wants to marry their car. I think we didn’t separate church and state enough. Pro free speech.
Mostly I think the government should leave everyone the fuck alone.
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lmao good work
Was this in their history? I can’t find it.
Yea, it might be a hexbear defed instance though
Tyvm. Fuck this troll, can’t wait to watch his smug ass rolled back to RTown
I stand by that comment. It’s missing some context from the rest of that thread and other comments left by other people but still.
Don’t worry, I read the context, and I still think it’s plenty misogynistic.
I can see why you might “get shit on by both sides”
you are a pathetic worm
My brother used to call me glow worm when were growing up because I was so pale that I would “light up the room” when I got out of bed at night to piss when we still shared a room as kids.
We have different dads and his father was Mexican while mine was white as could possibly be.
So I’m used to being called a worm. But not a pathetic one. Usually just a glow worm.
i didn’t ask for your life story
That’s a pretty disingenuous way to categorize moderates/centrists and you know it.
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You need to seek therapy like yesterday.