Of course rational argument should be the starting point, and if you kept up, there have been and still are plenty of efforts to discuss. But, in the words of Karl Popper, who watched fascism overwhelm all reason:
But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.
That’s where we’re at now: When the intolerant refuse to play by the same rules of rational argumentation, no rational argument can hope to change their mind.
I don’t disagree with you. This is a terrible method to conduct political discourse. But of all the times I have discussed things with right wingers, I have only ever left the conversation stupider, and more angry. They simply don’t listen.
I’m not really hinting at anything, peaceful discourse has been attempted again and again with the right, they literally don’t care and won’t listen. It doesn’t go anywhere.
What really must be done is to bring forward serious discussion and not debate through memes
Of course rational argument should be the starting point, and if you kept up, there have been and still are plenty of efforts to discuss. But, in the words of Karl Popper, who watched fascism overwhelm all reason:
That’s where we’re at now: When the intolerant refuse to play by the same rules of rational argumentation, no rational argument can hope to change their mind.
It’s been done, got nowhere
Do you see how poorly our conversation is set up right now? We are talking below a meme hinting at something and not really bringing up any discussion
I don’t disagree with you. This is a terrible method to conduct political discourse. But of all the times I have discussed things with right wingers, I have only ever left the conversation stupider, and more angry. They simply don’t listen.
I’m not really hinting at anything, peaceful discourse has been attempted again and again with the right, they literally don’t care and won’t listen. It doesn’t go anywhere.
I love how you frame this as being binary. No time for memes, Captain! We must ride at dawn!