You’re basically saying boycotts are ineffective. That’s bullshit. Sure I know Nintendo isn’t going away, but now I’m putting my time, effort, and money towards the goods and services from a more deserving company. And Nintendo is gone from my life.
It’s about what you want to grow, not what you want to die.
But even if a million of their customers fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, nothing would change. Nintendo is too successful for their own good. I’ll never buy a Nintendo product, but let’s not fool ourselves thinking a small group of people on the internet has anything on the largest video game company in Japan.
okay, I did pull that number out of my ass, but my point still stands, Nintendo will not learn their lesson by a few thousand people on the internet claiming to boycott them. I guess it would take maybe a million lost customers, but I doubt that will ever happen because the bulk of Nintendo sales go to people who only care about the games, not the company.
Even if it’s a small amount of people, it still matters. Even if boycotts can’t be made big enough to force a company to change, the change that does occur for the people boycotting changes their own lives. Things don’t happen in a vacuum, there is opportunity cost. Nintendo might still be bullying the rest of their customers, but the boycotters themselves are already free. They’re already using alternatives, supporting those alternatives, and the growth that can happen from that support can potentially mean the world to who is being supported.
I could be playing a Zelda game, but I won’t. And because of that, one way I’ve scratched that itch is by buying indie games with a similar style like Blossom Tales and Anodyne. Indie devs can use all the support they can get, so every customer counts.
It also has me looking into open-source alternatives like the Zquest engine and Solarus engine - both of which seem pretty cool.
And of course as I said earlier it means more of my time, energy, and money go toward Steam, and Valve is doing great work driving increasing popularity and technical capability of Linux, and largely doing it in the right way by substantially supporting open-source software like Proton.
One or few people don’t make much of a difference in the short term, but they are always the first ones necessary to get network effects going. I mean come on, we’re having this discussion on lemmy.
It’s really not, and evidently you don’t know jack shit about the discussions, studies, and history in piracy. If you did, you’d know that a primary argument in favor of the free sharing of information is that as we consume media, we effectively become free advertising for that media. So by claiming my stance is a “weirdo interpretation”, you are undermining one of the pillars that supports movements to make info and culture more free.
No it isn’t. You’re here on a soapbox telling people that they aren’t doing enough by completely changing their buying behavior. That’s not enough – they have to also conform to an arbitrary goalpost that you set. Nintendo is still so in your life that you’re can’t even let people pirate their shit in peace.
In the last 24 hours I’ve had a great time playing Heroes of Might and Magic 3 on my laptop, feeling pleased about my 800+ games on Steam and the fact that I’m not having my life ruined by Shigeru Miyamoto’s lawyers. This is what people get wrong about boycotts and the defeatist refrain, “no ethical consumption under capitalism.” It ignores that, on the example of Nintendo, I have not purchased any of their systems since the New 2DS XL. No Switch, definitely no Switch 2. And in leveraging that opportunity cost I have instead directed my resources to one of their competitors, which has had immediate benefits for my own personal life.
It’s not about what you want to kill, it’s about what you want to grow. I am helping to support the increased use of Linux by using Linux, paying for products that have Linux, and naturally advertising for Linux as a result of that being a part of my life. I don’t care how successful Nintendo is, because I am already free from their enshittification.
’Cause last time I recall in history, when fascist corporations exists, there’s literally only one remedy for boycotting them.
Your linux plight is honestly hearsay to this conversation, and I support it, as an anarchist.
But Nintendo has already C&D MANY linux projects. How many more linux projects do you want to see C&D?
You’re basically saying boycotts are ineffective. That’s bullshit. Sure I know Nintendo isn’t going away, but now I’m putting my time, effort, and money towards the goods and services from a more deserving company. And Nintendo is gone from my life.
It’s about what you want to grow, not what you want to die.
boycotts can totally be effective.
But even if a million of their customers fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, nothing would change. Nintendo is too successful for their own good. I’ll never buy a Nintendo product, but let’s not fool ourselves thinking a small group of people on the internet has anything on the largest video game company in Japan.
A million customers dropping Nintendo at once would absolutely have a massive impact, are you kidding?
okay, I did pull that number out of my ass, but my point still stands, Nintendo will not learn their lesson by a few thousand people on the internet claiming to boycott them. I guess it would take maybe a million lost customers, but I doubt that will ever happen because the bulk of Nintendo sales go to people who only care about the games, not the company.
Even if it’s a small amount of people, it still matters. Even if boycotts can’t be made big enough to force a company to change, the change that does occur for the people boycotting changes their own lives. Things don’t happen in a vacuum, there is opportunity cost. Nintendo might still be bullying the rest of their customers, but the boycotters themselves are already free. They’re already using alternatives, supporting those alternatives, and the growth that can happen from that support can potentially mean the world to who is being supported.
I could be playing a Zelda game, but I won’t. And because of that, one way I’ve scratched that itch is by buying indie games with a similar style like Blossom Tales and Anodyne. Indie devs can use all the support they can get, so every customer counts.
It also has me looking into open-source alternatives like the Zquest engine and Solarus engine - both of which seem pretty cool.
And of course as I said earlier it means more of my time, energy, and money go toward Steam, and Valve is doing great work driving increasing popularity and technical capability of Linux, and largely doing it in the right way by substantially supporting open-source software like Proton.
One or few people don’t make much of a difference in the short term, but they are always the first ones necessary to get network effects going. I mean come on, we’re having this discussion on lemmy.
No, I’m saying boycotts are good but a weirdo interpretation of them which say piracy violates a boycott is fucking stupid
It’s really not, and evidently you don’t know jack shit about the discussions, studies, and history in piracy. If you did, you’d know that a primary argument in favor of the free sharing of information is that as we consume media, we effectively become free advertising for that media. So by claiming my stance is a “weirdo interpretation”, you are undermining one of the pillars that supports movements to make info and culture more free.
Piracy is a form of free advertising. And piracy can and often does lead to more sales.
To pirate something does promote it through word of mouth viral marketing.
No it isn’t. You’re here on a soapbox telling people that they aren’t doing enough by completely changing their buying behavior. That’s not enough – they have to also conform to an arbitrary goalpost that you set. Nintendo is still so in your life that you’re can’t even let people pirate their shit in peace.
Supporting Nintendo is self harm, I am just trying to suggest to people that they don’t have to participate in that self harm.
Seriously, this is you right now.
It’s been past 24 hours, and not a single headquarters is in flames.
I consider your “boycott” a tantrum.
Let us know when you actually do something else than keyboard arts.
In the last 24 hours I’ve had a great time playing Heroes of Might and Magic 3 on my laptop, feeling pleased about my 800+ games on Steam and the fact that I’m not having my life ruined by Shigeru Miyamoto’s lawyers. This is what people get wrong about boycotts and the defeatist refrain, “no ethical consumption under capitalism.” It ignores that, on the example of Nintendo, I have not purchased any of their systems since the New 2DS XL. No Switch, definitely no Switch 2. And in leveraging that opportunity cost I have instead directed my resources to one of their competitors, which has had immediate benefits for my own personal life.
It’s not about what you want to kill, it’s about what you want to grow. I am helping to support the increased use of Linux by using Linux, paying for products that have Linux, and naturally advertising for Linux as a result of that being a part of my life. I don’t care how successful Nintendo is, because I am already free from their enshittification.
Could you then explain:
what you then meant by this?
’Cause last time I recall in history, when fascist corporations exists, there’s literally only one remedy for boycotting them.
Your linux plight is honestly hearsay to this conversation, and I support it, as an anarchist. But Nintendo has already C&D MANY linux projects. How many more linux projects do you want to see C&D?
Is this ragebait written by an eleven year old?
Are you unaware how political action takes place?
So that’s a yes?
Let lemmy know what monopoly you have topple down, if you’re being ageist.
That doesn’t make logical sense as a reply.
Pointing out that pointless actions are pointless isn’t “supporting” anything but thought. Bye.
got 'em