I hope they also enhance their social media strategy, as their unprofessional and aggressive way of communication makes me question their trustworthiness more than I want, as I think the project is awesome.
For me, it would be the opposite. Their “unprofessional” and aggressive way of communications makes me think they are doing it for convictions rather then personal benefits. The person that’s helping you doesn’t need to be overly polite. The person trying to get something out of you does.
I got heavily attacked for basically nothing like a year ago, which made me feel really bad and I still think about it frequently. Whoever treats people like this does not gain a lot of trust from me. Also such impulsiveness should not be involved in such a project. No one needs to be overly polite but also not that hostile against people and like 90% of other projects out there.
Sorry, maybe I just did not see how bad it gets. I don’t follow their communications in detail. I wanted to say that being a bit aggressive is fine, but if it was really to the point of attacking you, than that is not ok either.
Yep. They need an actual comms professional. I love GOS and am forever grateful to the team but having a bunch of non-nuero-typical devs speaking for them is not doing them any favours.
They shit on other projects all the time (frequently unprovoked, sometimes without the original conversation having anything to do about security). They also often reply with multiple posts with multiple paragraphs each when shitting on other projects. It shouldn’t take very long to find an example if you trawl through their replies on Twitter, Bluesky, or Mastodon.
They have good points, but they’re often either not relevant to the conversation or worded in such a way that it sounds like every project other than GrapheneOS is dogshit.
They also sometimes go on (IMO) paranoid rants about XYZ project systematically trying to destroy them or whatever.
I got the same vibes when they describe in detail how supposedly terrible Firefox on Android is for security. I actually didn’t believe them just based on the tone.
I mean, I think they’re right that the security is worse. I’m pretty sure it’s worse on desktop too, just not nearly as bad. Last I checked, Firefox on Android still doesn’t do per-site process isolation by default, for example.
If you’re talking about Daniel Micay, he’s still heavily involved. I’m pretty sure he still maintains the accounts since they haven’t really changed writing style or anything. IIUC though he’s no longer the main dev.
That’s what I’ve been thinking as well, remember having a conversation with him in a forum a few years ago and recently looked up something that had a comment from the official GrapheneOS account. The writing style was exactly the same. Kinda disappointing IMO, the dude is clearly a brilliant coder but he should be kept away from the official accounts as far as possible.
I hope they also enhance their social media strategy, as their unprofessional and aggressive way of communication makes me question their trustworthiness more than I want, as I think the project is awesome.
For me, it would be the opposite. Their “unprofessional” and aggressive way of communications makes me think they are doing it for convictions rather then personal benefits. The person that’s helping you doesn’t need to be overly polite. The person trying to get something out of you does.
I got heavily attacked for basically nothing like a year ago, which made me feel really bad and I still think about it frequently. Whoever treats people like this does not gain a lot of trust from me. Also such impulsiveness should not be involved in such a project. No one needs to be overly polite but also not that hostile against people and like 90% of other projects out there.
Sorry, maybe I just did not see how bad it gets. I don’t follow their communications in detail. I wanted to say that being a bit aggressive is fine, but if it was really to the point of attacking you, than that is not ok either.
Yep. They need an actual comms professional. I love GOS and am forever grateful to the team but having a bunch of non-nuero-typical devs speaking for them is not doing them any favours.
Seriously. I love GOS and can’t imagine using a phone without it at this point, but their social media is a shitshow and a half.
I’m out of the loop. Any examples of this?
They shit on other projects all the time (frequently unprovoked, sometimes without the original conversation having anything to do about security). They also often reply with multiple posts with multiple paragraphs each when shitting on other projects. It shouldn’t take very long to find an example if you trawl through their replies on Twitter, Bluesky, or Mastodon.
They have good points, but they’re often either not relevant to the conversation or worded in such a way that it sounds like every project other than GrapheneOS is dogshit.
They also sometimes go on (IMO) paranoid rants about XYZ project systematically trying to destroy them or whatever.
I got the same vibes when they describe in detail how supposedly terrible Firefox on Android is for security. I actually didn’t believe them just based on the tone.
I mean, I think they’re right that the security is worse. I’m pretty sure it’s worse on desktop too, just not nearly as bad. Last I checked, Firefox on Android still doesn’t do per-site process isolation by default, for example.
Yes that is what they said. But the way they said it made me doubt that it matters quite so much.
worse than what? What browser is better?
Blink-based ones (Chrome/Chromium, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, etc.)
Reminds me of our good friends on Lemmygrad.
it’s called effortposting
wasn’t that in the pqst? wasn’t that just the guy who started it or sonethinf? isn’t that person off the team now?
If you’re talking about Daniel Micay, he’s still heavily involved. I’m pretty sure he still maintains the accounts since they haven’t really changed writing style or anything. IIUC though he’s no longer the main dev.
yes i meant daniel micay. ah okay didn’t know he was heavily involved. by “the accounts” i assume you are referring to social media accounts?
Yeah, the social media accounts.
That’s what I’ve been thinking as well, remember having a conversation with him in a forum a few years ago and recently looked up something that had a comment from the official GrapheneOS account. The writing style was exactly the same. Kinda disappointing IMO, the dude is clearly a brilliant coder but he should be kept away from the official accounts as far as possible.
If you want a direct example you can check their replies on Mastodon to about every topic.