That’s a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn’t installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google.
But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead.
So it is true, and not a lie, because as you say yourself “the average person probably needs those things mentioned”
Quite a thing to call someone a liar and to then literally agree with them
I mean, that’s the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs.
You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it’s just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn’t a Graphene problem, it’s a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn’t lie, asshole.
Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you’re not gonna use push notifs and don’t need Android.
OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google’s monopolistic software
That’s a lie, you can totally avoid Play Services if you truly want to with GrapheneOS, as it literally isn’t installed by default. If you only use Fdroid apps and have no need for push notifs, then you can truly use GOS with no Google.
But the average person probably needs those things mentioned, so you can download a sandboxed version of Play Store and Services instead.
So it is true, and not a lie, because as you say yourself “the average person probably needs those things mentioned” Quite a thing to call someone a liar and to then literally agree with them
I mean, that’s the reality of using an Android phone. 95% of apps are built to use play services in some way, and while most of that can be ignored, apps using push notifs are almost always going to be play instead of unified push. Make the choice of either living with no push notifs, or having push notifs.
You can use GrapheneOS without push notifs, it’s just inconvenient, and the average person wants convenience. This isn’t a Graphene problem, it’s a big tech influencing Android problem. The original comment makes it seem like Graphene is the issue, but other ROMs are going to encounter that same issue anyway (as I said, Android problem). So therefore I didn’t lie, asshole.
Maybe you can use microG to get around notif issues, but that does require logging in. Use a Linux phone at that rate if you’re not gonna use push notifs and don’t need Android.
OK it sounds like we agree. But I do prefer custom roms that use microG, it is a great opensource alternative to Play Services. This is precisely what is needed to break open the Android market: alternatives to Google’s monopolistic software