You will get all the maintenance headache of Arch in a nice looking package. Absolutely not what OP asks for.

Arch is never “set it and forget it”.

Plenty of people seriously propose it as such.

It is not - at least if you’re not an enthusiast happy to tinker with your system all the time.

I’d say one issue in 8 years is a stellar track record!

But I agree they should have warned users a better way.

Anyway, I like how btrfs is treated within Tumbleweed - snapper is fully configured and enabled by default, and you can load a snapshot and rollback into it from the boot menu - all that would take you less than a minute, and any faulty update will be gone for good. With ext4, though, you might need Timeshift. But then, all that can be done within Arch with just a few more tweaks!

I see!

I do, in fact, use Endeavour on my desktop as well, simply because I like snappiness and choice of Arch and similarly don’t wanna bother with the pure one (and also EndeavourOS forums are more friendly in my experience). I run OpenSUSE Slowroll (an experimental Tumbleweed build, same idea as Manjaro, but actually done right) on my other laptop, so can speak from the experience on both ends.

With Slowroll (and my gf’s Tumbleweed) I’ve only once faced the need for manual intervention, and it was simply to resolve a dependency change by choosing which package to leave - literally enter one number, and then it went on peacefully and correctly installing 1460 updates (yeah, they pushed a big Tumbleweed dump, 3.5 gigs total). On Arch and EndeavourOS, the last intervention was just recently, that’s the one OP talks about, and they do happen more often and are more complicated than I’d like.

I don’t think it makes sense to gatekeep Linux only to those who has time, energy, and dedication to continuously check for necessary interventions and to familiarize themselves with all the terminal utilities in the first place.

That is a sort of elitism we need to carefully avoid - one, because otherwise it would halven the desktop Linux community, and two, because there’s a huge group of people out there who need what Linux offers, but cannot dedicate themselves to it in the way enthusiasts do.

For them, there must be an option to push the button and get a smooth update, with everything resolved automatically or prompted in a user-friendly way. Arch is not that.

You feel comfy doing this - alright, no one stops you, Arch is great and has a purpose. But we should never put blame on users for not using their system The Arch Way™, because it’s too technical, too engaged, and is just a poor fit for most. People will not and should not accommodate for this just to use their system. There’s no need to.

If someone chose Arch and complains that it breaks things, it could be useful to point out Arch doesn’t have required guardrails to make it operable in a way they expect, and direct the user to other distributions that have them and potentially least painful ways to migrate.

Having tried Arch and its derivatives, and recognizing their strong points, I can absolutely tell the person needs another distribution, and that’s alright! Whatever fits anybody is up to them. And for stable rolling release experience without the need for manual checking (but also without some of the power features of Arch mainly geared toward enthusiasts) there’s OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.

Edit: Tone.

A decent daily driver distro for regular user should not break on blind update - at most, it should warn the user automatically before applying updates. If user is expected to check news every time they want to update their system - it is not a good fit for anyone but enthusiasts.

Based on what you describe, I would strongly recommend going with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s just as bleeding-edge as Arch, but all packages go through automatic testing to ensure they won’t break anything, and if some manual actions are required, it will offer options right before update. Moreover, snapper in enabled by default on btrfs partitions, and it makes snapshots automatically before updates, so even if something breaks somehow, reverting takes a few seconds.

One small footnote is that you’ll need to add separate VLC repo or Packman for VLC to have full functionality - proprietary codecs are one of the rare things official repos don’t feature for legal reasons.

On Arch rant: I’ve always been weirded out by this “Arch is actually stable, you just have to watch every news post for manual interventions before every update, oh, and you better update very often” attitude.

Like, no, this is not called stable or even usable for general audience. Updating your system and praying for it not to break while studying everything you need to know is antithetical to stability and makes for an awful daily driver.

Data hoarders could be happy, but otherwise it’s mostly enterprise use.

Still, I personally hold about 4 TB of files, and I know people holding over 30 TB.

As soon as your storage needs exceed 1-2 games and a bunch of old photos, demand for space raises quickly.

Yeah I know :)

Fiddled with Gentoo a little, just don’t think it’s worth it for me anyway.

Several hours for an update sounds insane to me lol

But I understand it’s the tradeoff Gentoo makes to add a lot of control and minor optimization

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Yup, works, thanks!

Oh wait - it’s simple as that? Nice!

Guess that’s all I need.

I must assume Gentoo does require manual intervention here and there, and updates must take eternity for packages that are not precompiled, ain’t it so?

I’m not super knowledgeable on how anonymous such routing us, hence I avoid it.

Don’t know why people bombarded you so much - the other side of total anonymity is that you really never know if anything got broken and someone earned off it.

My suggestion, however, is to use Monero for payments, and not as a store of value.

Monero transactions consume orders of magnitude less energy than Bitcoin’s thanks to an ASIC-resistant algorithm

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Lol

Earth the planet is totally alright with everything we do. It’s been through much tougher times.

We only endanger ourselves and other living creatures.