So you don’t want to go against the jerk, okay.

Thanks?

Agreed. The point being that people aren’t really upset about whether it’s art or not. They’re mad about money.

And that’s not exactly dumb either, making bread is important. It’d just be nice if it was admitted to.

AI being appropriated for neural nets which might even do things unrelated to what we think of as intelligence is annoying, I’ll give you that.

What art is is kind of a huge can of worms, though. In any case, it’s pretty clear they can satisfy potential clients a lot better than human digital artists, and that’s where at least part of the butthurt comes from.

It was, but doesn’t that seem shortsighted now? When there’s a change it’s usually bad for someone, but no change since the 1700’s would definitely be bad, even if there’s a steady two pence or whatever to be made weaving.

Sitting in 2025, we can identify a whole lot that was wrong with the world and conditions of labourers (including literal slaves) then. It seems kind of odd to blame technology for them, at least directly. But, that’s where the luddites turned their anger, and Lemmy seems to slide into doing the same thing - although there’s a lot of overlap with valid skepticism about things people claim AI do, that it actually can’t.

If we did what they wanted, I couldn’t afford the clothes I’m wearing. Or probably a lot of other things - shit tons has improved since the late 1700’s.

Sure, there’s less weaver jobs now, and there will be less digital artist jobs in the future. Arguably, the past few centuries have shown that if there’s other things that we can do instead, it’s still for the best. (If there’s not, a whole new conversation opens up)

Yes, it’s not a good argument totally unsupported. You can live in a society and still criticise it, if there’s no reasonable choice to do otherwise.

The thing is, I really like not having to weave my own clothes, or do whatever trade was made obsolete by all the technologies since. I’m guessing OP does too, and there’s no good reason to place a cutoff on that at 2020.

If OP thought things would genuinely be better if we went back to medieval tech, this would be a different, and actually much more interesting conversation. As it is, they just didn’t know the history.

No. The luddites were against the move away from manual weaving, and literally did break into factories to smash looms.

This person on the internet in hemp rags they grew themselves.

Because Lemmy is full smash-the-looms luddite about AI art.

Okay, now I’m really curious. What do they say?

Channeling what therapists have said to me a bit: it’s not what happens that causes feelings, so much as what you think about what happens.

Maybe you’re looking at things is a winner-takes-all way here? Like, if you’re not better than them in every way, they win. It’s not actually like that, of course. There’s billions of people on Earth, and you should be the best version of yourself you can be regardless of what everyone else is doing. Changing other people is nearly impossible (another thing therapists like to bring up) while improving your skill is not, and the two are very separate here.

IRL, that I’m left-wing and atheist, because it’s a loyally right-wing area, and because the latter thing pisses off an important minority. I also avoid anything that could be seen as “playing a card”, although in the right conditions I might bring whatever personal consideration up. The only way I’m admitting the first two is if either they did first, or I’m asked point blank.

Yep. Same vibe as old legends about the glory of battle. The tropes exist because the most powerful people are trying to motivate cannon fodder. Edit: Or justify their own position - either as a brave, chivalrous lord or a hard-working, street smart CEO.

You see the personal impact of success in whatever environment you’re in exaggerated for similar reasons. For example, good grades are worth something, and doing either really badly or better than average has consequences, but there’s diminishing returns on very high or low levels beyond that. From what I’ve seen in my life, nepotism, luck and schmoozing skills are all worth substantially more than crazy high grades. (And having the right temperament to actually build on what you earn - that one’s underrated)

It’s always amazing when someone discovers a new way to be shitty that I hadn’t even thought of.

Meanwhile, Canada has no minimum wage exemption, and you still are asked to tip on everything.

Oh yes, can’t forget about libraries just because they’ve been successful forever.

The networking level is solved by Tor and similar, open protocols are still standard at the transport level, and the application layer is served by Linux, the Fediverse and so much more. I think the hardware level is where future efforts are the most needed. That and just resisting the change as much as possible.

(It’s not a level of abstraction, but if it was less of a mess crypto would deserve a mention as an authoritarianism-resistant way to keep funding going. Both for whatever future dystopian blackmarket, and for the providers of the infrastructure supporting it)

Yeah, an actual hypermobility disorder would not help, lol.

Hmm. Cows too. You have a whole operation going there. Good luck, and take it easy - you only get one body, and there are tools.