Librewolf btw.

I’ve personally moved to Waterfox and very much enjoying the experience, with a few hiccups.

There may be Mac specific browsers that might be a better fit. I don’t use a Mac personally but could be worth going through the App store to see what is out there.

You’re welcome. I’ve been covering this issue since it’s been announced. There are a number of accounts who are either deliberately spreading misinformation or who have a very poor understanding of how software licenses work.

Anyone who tells you that these terms are normal for a locally run browser is making the posts in bad faith.

Mozilla’s new TOU only covers pre built Firefox executables, not the source code.

Librewolf and Waterfox are good forks that would not be bound to the TOU.

Isn’t he the guy that went to a Japanese forest known for where people go to commit suicide and just laugh?

Edit: down votes because I can’t tell terrible YouTubers apart?

Looks like you double posted. I’m going to delete this post which has less points.

Remember that to these people the law exists to oppress.

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

Are you pulling directly from root servers? I run pihole but it’s upstream is Cloudflare.

I recently checked and saw that over the span of 10 years, I have donated a lot of money to Mozilla. That stopped last year when they started pushing AI in their browsers that required opt out. They were listed in my will as a r 50% recipient of my estate, but has now been replaced by the EFF.

They are pissing off their main base for short term “profits”.

I get that things cost money. But Wikipedia costs money too but they are fiercely user centric.

Firefox used to be. Likely due to pressures from Google and other ad companies. But still, they could do better.

There is simply no reason why Mozilla needs a “non-exclusive, royalty free worldwide” license to my content unless they plan on using it for their own purposes.

Firefox, running locally and under my direction, does not require a license as it is not a legal entity. It is a product.

Any argument from Mozilla to change the TOU without also removing the language for a license to your data is made in bad faith.

It’s really that simple.

I wonder if you could search based on their latest sha prior to the fork.

Then again anything that makes it easier to find makes it an easier target for Nintendo.

Sports are protected by oligarchs that steal wages from their employees so that they can buy sports teams.

School shootings are protected by gun manufacturers who scare people into buying more guns.

Absolute best case scenario is that they offer both licenses. Scratch that. Best case scenario is that they leave the license to MPL2.

But unless something drastically changes, they are going to go through with the TOU. The only way you can opt out is by using a different browser or compiling Firefox from source. You can’t distribute Firefox that you compile and call it Firefox. But you can compile it from source locally and not agree to the TOU.

they have not, based on the fact that the definition of “sell” is different between legal jurisdictions.

As of today, the latest Firefox Version 135.0.1 Binaries are released under MPL 2, which is open source.

Whenever the terms are implemented, the Terms of Use will replace the MPL for the binaries. Open source has a strict definition and goes beyond source code.

The Terms of Use, as current proposed, would violate #5 (“No discrimination against Persons or Groups”) as the TOU allows for Mozilla to terminate your use of Firefox for any reason.

As a result, their binary moves from Open Source via the MPL to Source Available, via a proprietary license.

I’d say it’s worth it. The fact that they’ve made adjustments means they are listening.

The funny thing is that many of the comments I’ve read around “you don’t understand the legalese” are often people who are fully misinterpreting the language.

And to date, none of these comments have yet to say clearly why this language is needed for a fully local installation. Many of the people who say so mistakenly equate Firefox, a product with no legal rights, with Mozilla, a corporation with legal obligations.

Because I am but one man. 😂

Waterfox was what I noticed first. If waterfox didn’t work out, it’s next. Followed by ladybird.

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