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Marxist-Leninist ☭

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Cake day: December 31st, 2023

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  • No, your argument does rely on thinking the people of China are simply too stupid or uneducated about what democracy is. You have no evidence that they don’t know what a democracy is, yet you assume they are all brainwashed and propagandized into not knowing. When all you have are assumptions, this is chauvanism.

    Please, I don’t think you are intentionally being chauvanistic, but you should re-examine your biases. Even your comment on there being one major party does not mean the system isn’t democratic, the people have a more direct influence on politics than simply choosing parties, like in the US.


  • It seems to me you were deliberately trying to discredit me, but if you want to deny that, fine.

    I think you are being deeply chauvanistic towards Chinese people. Your argument is that 1.4 billion people are too stupid or uneducated to know what democracy is, despite making up the world’s largest economy (adjusted for purchasing power parity) and is regularly breaking new ground in science and technology. The “brainwashing” narrative is a holdout myth from the Cold War to attempt to explain why the people in Socialist countries supported their systems, but in all reality it holds no water. The people in China support their system because it works.

    If you want to learn about how Chinese Democracy works, here is a good article on it. Or, you can go directly to Chinese state media explaining it themselves.


  • When you asked a question about the Uyghurs, and then connected it to the “Jewish Question” based on how I worded my response. That’s dishonest.

    Why would democracy be seen as “bad stuff from the west?” Do you think Chinese people oppose democracy, or don’t know what it is?

    Finally, “economic democracy” is a measure of how free Capitalists are to do as they please, not the common person. Socialist countries like China and Cuba that place firm restrictions on Capital, or Nationalist countries like Russia that restrict foreign influence over their economies, will always rank lower on a “freedom for Capitalists” index.


  • Marxists and Anarchists have a different view of what the state is, and what class is. Marxists see the state as an implementation of class oppression, Anarchists see it as a tool of hierarchy.

    As a consequence, Marxists see Communism as a fully publicly owned and planned, democratic government, while Anarchists want decentralized networks of Communes. For Marxists, the Anarchist solution retains class distinctions as each commune only has internal ownership and thus class is retained, while for Anarchists the Marxist solution retains the state as it retains hierarchy.

    This struggle over analysis drives the major distinctions between each major school of Leftist thought.






  • Marxists are aligned on support for AES, though, outside of fringe tendencies like Trotskyists and Gonzaloists. In my experience, it’s more of a hot topic among Anarchists, having spoken to firmly anti-AES Anarchists and critically supportive Anarchists.

    Further, when you call AES states “Capitalist in most respects,” that just isn’t accurate from a Marxist stance on what Capitalism and Socialism are. AES states are where large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly controlled, while the private sector is dominated by small firms, sole proprietorships, and cooperatives of non-essential industries. This is because Marx viewed the only real way to achieve full public ownership is developing into it, rather than simply decreeing it.

    The divide more tends to be among the stance on what the real obstacles in the way of progressing beyond Capitalism is, and those in support of AES tend to agree that that obstacle is currently the US Empire.