holding company that owns it (Prosus) is sued, since they’re headquartered in Amsterdam, but that seems incredibly unlikely.

Idk if theyre headquartered here maybe threes something in European laws idk.

Unlikely sure but I can wish it.

Although I like the company name.

May I suggest a European one?

Which is exactly the reason we are in a post discussing it.

Yeah exactly. And they’re not allowed to under the Creative Commons licence

Anytime a CEO does something questionable; “/ping user4616250”

“Look at our corporate polls! Stop liking him!”

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Ah yes “who cares about your science, this is what I feel like”, as if subjective experiences have never fooled anyone?

The plural or anecdote isn’t evidence.

It’s not “without evidence” and I didn’t attribute it to you. Don’t you think I take care to take breaks from my meds to see that I don’t have a) a physical dependency b) a psychological need (addiction)? It’s not always possible, as sleeping is then slightly harder, but I try to test that out with at least a few week break every year, because it’s healthy.

You do realise the nature of addiction is such that when you actually suffer from it, you’ll make yourself believe you don’t?

It reminds me of those people who adamantly demand that caffeine has zero effect on them (as they drink it frequently and still sleep and don’t notice effects from it.) While everyone around them is annoyed to fuck by their constant jittering and foot tapping.

I’m not saying you have a problem. But alcohol does reduce your quality of sleep. Your “but I don’t feel that way” won’t discredit all the science which shows it does. Sorry. I’m not telling what to do or judging you in any way ffs.

90’s, definitely.

Which 80’s models mobiles are you thinking of, exactly?

2010s?

Laughs in Nokia

And from science I know it affects the quality of your sleep.

You do whatever you like but don’t argue against science with some shitty reasoning you made up. That really screams alcohol problem.

So it sounds like acetaldehyde and acetate don’t impact my sleep negatively at all.

Oh yes you just must be immune and the science is wrong, gotcha

You’re thinking that when you don’t have alcohol in your blood and it’s broken down by your body, that “it’s not in your system”? The breakdown produces for instance acetaldehyde and then further into acetate. That’s why people get hangovers and are still sick a long time after the buzz has worn off and there’s no alcohol in their blood.

If you drink alcohol today, the metabolites are still detectable in urine for a few days. No-one just ever tests for those, but actual BAC.

As an extra, I take one shot of liquor an hour before I go to bed. After an hour all the alcohol is metabolized (do not go to sleep with a measurable blood alcohol level!) so I’m relaxed and mellow and ready for sleep.

It might help get to sleep, but it harms the quality of your sleep. So does my ambien of course, but less so than alcohol, as it’s actually a pharmaceutical designed for that. But it is a drug to get to sleep, primarily.

https://www.wmchealth.org/blogs/the-truth-about-nightcaps-ditch-the-drink-get-a-go-783

Alcohol interferes with the crucial rapid eye movement (REM) sleep stage, impacting memory, learning and mood.

Get some sort of cheap health wristband activity thingy if you want to follow your sleep better. I’ve liked mine, got it last year for 39€. It shows the amount of REM, deep and light sleeps. It might be that you do sleep better with a single drink, but generally science does tend to agree that it reduces quality of sleep. However a few times when I’ve been properly drunk, I’ve actually slept like twice as much and thus gotten more REM sleep, and felt more relaxed when I woke up. But I would say that alcohol does reduce my quality of sleep most of the time, even if it doesn’t necessarily feel like that.

But again, not judging I don’t know what works for you and I take ambien pretty much every night so that’s pretty comparable to one shot imo

They accidentally deposited one cheque in the 50’s.

It’s not like its any money on a government scale. Hell, even on a personal level it’s cheap as fuck for an annual rent. My small duplex has a highers rent than what America pays in rent for gitmo; ~4000$

Basic sleep hygiene, no large meals in the evening, try to avoid blue light (blue light filters for screens or avoid screens), try to cool bedoom down before going to bed. Earplugs might help as well. Complete darkness. All those nasty power leds, tape on them. I myself have smart lights so I can’t make them red and real dim so as to avoid any disturbance through light.

Aside from that, melatonin ~30-60 min before hopping into bed and often an ambien 30-5 min before.

Then again that’s even when I do smoke. And I’m understating my medication slightly.

For me the best substitute when I quit weed was genuinely Terry Pratchett novels. They’re sort of whimsical and provoking humorous thoughts. Much like weed often does. And the books are exceedingly good natured, even the baddies aren’t really that evil. Usually they’re more like arbitrary concepts.

So tldr sleep hygiene and reading under a somewhat low light while the room cools down and when it gets too cold and you’re getting tired of reading, close the window and hop into a crispy bed.

Should help at least. Some of these things at least. Probably. Maybe.

Definitely worth a watch.

Great show.

that was sold for years on the agreement that they would not be able to harvest this data (simply because I could run them without connecting to the internet). Now I still have that option of course, but I will eventually trade product updates to do so

So you’re saying “I’m eventually going to value updates to these products more than my privacy and my data, despite me having the option of not doing that, keeping my data, and still having the same functionality in the lamps they had when I purchased them”?

I don’t know what your problem seems to be.

It’s cool that you don’t care about your autonomy and privacy

Autonomy. Yes. My autonomy is deprived from me because some random sweaty bro is crying online that companies are companies.

So you’re gonna trade your autonomy and privacy for some pathetic updates on your lamps? It seems like you don’t care about your privacy. Where do you live again? If not in the GDPR area your data is traded in thousands of places where mine isn’t.

I do care about mine, but I’m not such a moron that I think that caring about it makes any difference on a personal level. I care about it because of the societal implications it has, not because I’m a paranoid incel who’s afraid of some random company having checks notes info on how many lamps of theirs I have at home.

I have a wifi specifically for guests and shit devices that might need it. It doesn’t really matter who has access to it.

Again, what is it that I’m supposed to be so afraid of? No-one can blackmail me on anything, I have no digital assets (even money) to steal.

I’m politically on the correct side of this issue because I understand the consequences in the bigger picture. I don’t know if you even see a bigger picture, it just sounds like you have have paranoid delusions of being persecuted.

Have you thought about seeing a mental health care professional to get checked out?

And whoops, it turns out they stored a ton more than they needed to, your address, your lighting schedule, how many rooms are in your house, names of users with access to your home, etc. and whoops, turns out they did the bare minimum to secure their serv

I have literally no fucking problem with them knowing any of that — which they’re wouldn’t from my data.

Even if they recorded the actual signal strength of each bulb in relation to the Bridge, they wouldn’t know how many rooms I have. My naming scheme and placement scheme in the app does not reflect reality in the slightest, nor do the names of my devices. They’re half-arbitrary alphanumeric combos, like OH1 and CX2. And even if they did, my apartment size isn’t exactly a state secret?

Hue having any of that data is far less scary than the potential of me getting stabbed on the way home.

Now, just to make sure you understand, I don’t agree with any of the data that probably is collected on me. But whilst I’d rather them not have it, it honestly doesn’t makena bit of difference practically.

Are you European or not? Just curious because if you are, do you always stop to refuse cookies, even “legitimate interest”? Do you avoid sites which don’t allow you to do that?

Or are not European and don’t even have the option?

Because I’ve genuinely spent literal hours in the past few years scrolling through the lists of hundreds of vendors to individually click them off.

But sometimes those popups are designed so you’ll accidentally click the accept all. And on occasion it has happened. So… what’s the practical difference?

Aa I’ve shown you, ideologically I do stand and act on the side of privacy. But do I really care or fear “malicious actors”?

Even if you had my every single password and id, you wouldn’t be able to harm me in any way. What are you gonna do, add money to my account? Improve my credit?

No.

The only malicious actors that I’m concerned with are the local police.

I’ve had Philips Hue for like 6-7 years now I think, I only registered a few weeks ago when I bought a new phone and wanted to get all my all configurations to my new phone without much hassle. I don’t mind them being connected as there’s no cameras or sensors on them and I’m not looking to buy any of their sensors or anything.

Also I trust EU regulations to be such that Philips can’t deprive me of basic functionality on these. Also also, the scripts for these were rather simple, to the point that despite me not having touched a single line of code for like 15-years, and even before that only having done it for some courses, I could easily manage a script to manage them.

Just took a clip at 240 fps, no flickering. Reading the earlier post I was like wondering about flickering, because I’ve never had any as all my bulbs are Hue Colours.