Yeah this would be useful!

I’m assuming everyone here listens to music somewhat regularly, but I’m curious about how much you care about it. And i specifically want to know about your enjoyment regardless if it’s considered a timeless masterpiece or just a meme song.

I care about it a great deal. I have no genre or time/era preferences and will listen to basically anything that is interesting in some way or simply connects with me on an emotional level, though I do love a good interpretation of genre convention too.

Do you care about having decent enough devices to enjoy it or do you just buy the cheapest pair of earbuds to silence the world around you?

I’m no audiophile but I invested in some DT1990s years back paired with a nice EQ and a Bravo V2/FiiO E10K that serve me well to this day.

Do you have favorite albums or do you just hit play on a random playlist and zone out?

Neither. Weird dichotomy.

I have favourite albums and artists, but most artists I like these days aren’t really “album artists” and most music I regularly enjoy are artists from 2010s onwards or from pre-1990s era of singles dominating. Even with the album era of 90s-2010s when CDs really sealed the deal on albums as the default, I don’t regularly listen to albums as a whole.

I make my own playlists and I mostly use them as a collection of songs I like where I pick out the individual ones and listen to those on repeat, until I pick out the next song. No shuffle, no algorithm/autoplay ever. Most playlists are either genre themed or hyper personal life arcs. I must have spent hundreds of hours making them, curating and sorting them.

Do you ever listen to music just to enjoy it and nothing else?

Yes

Do you talk with passion about your favorite songs/albums/artists?

And yeah I talk about my favourite music all the time, maybe even too much, it seems that music as a whole is less and less appreciated with time, which is a shame, but it is what it is.

Do you spend time searching for music?

Yes. But these days Spotify’s suggestions at the bottom of my personal playlists do do a lot of the work for me. However I also find lots of artists through word of mouth from the people around me, music featured in other media and through artist collabs.

TL;DR is music art or content to you?

Art, no question about it.

Yeah but that’s the thing they’re in completely different circles. They might as well be from another planet to us lol

Yeah!

Been a while since I distrohopped heh

What even is zorin os lol I’ve never even heard of it. Normies really do surprise me often like this, like they mathematically calculate to pick the strangest least expected things through the most alien of mechanisms, it’s always fun trying to figure it out after the fact. Delightful news!

Literally just a dating app without the hidden algo that keeps people onboard and no payment. It could be federated.

Premiere, Photoshop, Lightroom, FL Studio. They either don’t work or work terribly on Linux. That one DAW on Linux from Ableton devs that’s decent still has awful UX compared to FL and VST compatibility seemed spotty. I do use Linux daily (Debian flavor) though just not on my main PC but on my laptop, and also on the work laptop for work.

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Because you don’t care about making art, so you choose comfort and financial safety.

Yeah, I choose to eat, so do you, evidently.

But my choices on how I earn that bread were more limited than yours, again - evidently.

Beyond that, I choose not to make assumptions about you or your life like you’ve done with mine.

Also lol “comfort and financial safety”. No. Not for most people in most of this world. It’s more like survival vs not survival.

So how does this have nothing to do with privilege? It literally is what privilege is.

Telling poors to learn art is like telling someone to bet everything on starting a business. It’s a good idea only if you’re rich, because if you fail - and to learn you must fail sometimes - you can try again, but the working class doesn’t get the luxury of second chances.

You’re talking about outsourcing art, but then complain about who actually make art.

No, I’m talking about generating art from a prompt, I have no issues with people who make art obviously, as long as they don’t have an issue with those who lack the resources to develop the skills and instead use AI to put their ideas into action or polish existing ones.

If you’d like to change my mind, show me a few professionally successful present-day working class artists.

This means they:

1. Make most of their income from their work
2. Most active period this or past decade and they are no older than 40.
3. Working class background, so no artists in family at all, no industry connections they didn’t make themselves, no nepotism etc.

Also lol, of course I care about making art, why else would I be even talking about it, much less pointing out that generative AI accidentally or not - corrects a class injustice?

If I saw no value in making art, why would I ever consider it an injustice that the working class cannot enjoy it?

I make music in my spare time whenever I can and have for years, and no I don’t and would never use any generative AI tools for the music itself, nor do I even sample any other music, and I think I’ve even improved at it somewhat despite a lack of basically any education on the subject matter beyond a few guides and YouTube videos on music theory here and there. It’s a highly rewarding hobby.

Realistically though, that ‘whenever’ is simply not enough time to create anything professional and polished enough for me to sell and for it to appeal to anyone besides myself and whatever loved one is unfortunate enough to be subjected to it.

Do you have another retort besides “lol”? Spending the amount of time required to produce professional art when an income isn’t directly guaranteed is a risk most of us can’t take, FYI.

You still can’t make

Yeah and why would I need to?

If I don’t enjoy that particular process nearly enough to learn how to make it good, and I wanted it to be good and I was feeling creative and had an idea for it, I could just get it made for me, free of charge, free of corpo influence or any strings attached. It’s a sweet deal.

or since there are FOSS AI models that are free as in free beer it allows everyone to access the benefits of the privileged - i.e. those who can specialized in fields like arts that aren’t conducive to making enough money out of the gate to survive as a working class person

Thank you! And yeah you said it well.

I might check it out at some point, but I’m not really into mythology tbh, I think the only thing remotely close to that that I’ve ever consumed is some of the videos from Overly Sarcastic Productions on YT.

I also wonder where (if anywhere) they teach classical greek myths at school. The literature classes we had in high school - other than Shakespeare - mostly focused on modern period literature from the 19th century onwards (with the most recent book probably being To Kill A Mockingbird ofc and the earliest Silas Marner)

I guess that’s kinda like what’s particularly astounding to me about the downvotes. This is not even a matter of privilege and resources, it’s simply a matter of: Why would you expect anyone to go out of their way to look up fairly obscure greek myths, unless they were specifically into fairly obscure greek myths? And I already think considering I actively engage with content about mythology even rarely as it may be I imagine most people know much less.

Heck I had the lucky opportunity for the joy of explaining The Illiad and The Odyssey to my girlfriend recently, who had literally no clue what those even were or that they existed.

Right now I’m really into space stuff. It’s extremely unlikely that if I asked any random person, including myself from like slightly over a week ago, what ORB RATE and INRTL positions on the FDAI switch on Panel 13 do in the Apollo CSM, that they would know what the heck I’m talking about. So I would never make that assumption. It’s just kinda baffling to do so.

We cannot hate on people for not knowing what is unreasonable for anyone but an enthusiast to know. That in itself is refusing to think properly, it is anti-intellectualism, plain and simple. “Ooga Grog no know thing, means Grog bad!” is an insane way to operate, it’s reeks of a regressive and unsystemic view of the world.

I can understand, but really, though? Why would you expect anyone to know something so niche?

You should be grateful I’m actually happy to learn about it, and that you had the opportunity to tell me about it, spreading knowledge, especially on something as cool as classical literature and history is a good thing.

Co-founded Interplay. Came out as trans in the mid-2000s. Jesus what a legend gone too soon. Bless.

I didn’t know of the myth, can I have a billion dollars now? I promise I won’t even traumatize Bill Shatner by uncaringly shaking champagne around him like some kind of personified satire.

Edit: Why am I downvoted for a joke?

Fair play, TIL.

I figured it was something from Greek mythology (probably), but I don’t have that particular kind of special interest so I never looked into it.

As to your concern I imagine the vast majority know of it from the movie, not an obscure greek myth. Like surely you understand that’s pretty niche compared to a multimillion dollar blockbuster?

EDIT: why am I downvoted for admitting I didn’t know something? Not knowing something and admitting it, even being proud of having the opportunity to learn something new is always a good thing. It is something we should encourage in people. Fucking dotworld I swear man.

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No

You gotta respect the man for how much he seems to relish in being pure evil. Prometheus like the movie, about the bald dudes who created life? And the ultimate artificial lifeform as a weapon that wiped em all out in the end? That’s a masterclass in Saturday morning ass villainy this Jeff practices.