This is what I was referring to, your understanding is distorted because BOTH fall under the discoverability. You’re bending the reality around you so that it fits your agenda ignoring literally anything that is said to you. The communities aren’t forced upon you either as it’s you choosing which feeds you follow the exact same way posts are added to a community you follow so they’re not forced upon you buddy. Or what, should we get rid of communities as well? XDD Let’s go back to microblogging where we can scream into the void that we can’t navigate through due to almost nothing of organisation besides the tags maybe that can’t even be moderated unlike communities/feeds. I guess we should get rid of the concept of tags too given your perspective on organisaton and discoverability of things you’re interested in? Some of your points are valid but a lot of them are incoherent and ignore reality. Some of the suggestions are terrible for everyone out there too due to ignoring of that reality. I’d work great if the world worked the way you perceive it through your mind though.

That’s some really distorted understanding of “discoverability” that you have in your head. Sorry for your loss. :(

How’d you follow a feed to regularly visit if not without subscribing to it? The person you responded to complained that communities may get unwanted traffic if they were included in bad feeds. So while you suggested subscribers only comments and it would work for ‘all’ feed to filter out low effort trolls it wouldn’t work with feeds where they are already subscribed to it.

Just like with communities where you don’t look them up each time you want to see their content and you subscribe to them to have them easily accessible on you subscribed list or in subscribed feed the same would go for feeds.

I may have missed your subtle suggestion somewhere about changing the behavior of feeds in which case the feature would check out although that would cause some friction still when it comes to ease of interaction.

E:

I mean if you click on subscribe, to subscribe to all the communities within, that’s kind of intended behaviour?!

The conversation isn’t about fair users anyway. If someone comes in without care about community talking bs then it wouldn’t matter if you gave them option to avoid it because they would do it anyway. Just like people don’t bother with block feature which there always was.

restrict commenting or voting to subscribers only.

Feeds subscribe you to those communities. Maybe if the feature didn’t do that it would make more sense but with the current way things work it would require a different solution. Personally I strongly believe in granular control over to which feeds the community gets added with default opt-in where mods can react if something unwanted starts happening.

It’s more about users not giving a damn which can already be seen with users using ‘all’ feed downvoting or responding with unfitting comments to things that they should have just ignored but didn’t because it showed up to them.

If the user visits feed expecting specific content just like they’d expect from community and treat it as such there’s a good chance they’d contribute but not in positive way.

The feature is in a testing phase to find bugs and collect ideas and will be improved with time so such problems would hopefully be minimised. In which direction will the feature progress is something I don’t know and from my understanding the devs don’t fully know either but they’re definitely interested in allowing more control over things like community opting out (or in?) from a specific feeds as a second option besides opting out from the feature completely. In what form the mods will have the tools to control to which feeds their communities belong I don’t know but there’s a lot of interest in it.

Feed isn’t a place you can post to. It just collects posts from different communities into one feed/stream.

???

Just don’t use public feeds and have your own private feeds split into topics you’re interested in where you don’t have communities you dislike included. You have all the autonomy you need. No one tells you to subscribe to that one specific feed that doesn’t curate the communities in the way you like. Just use it to organise your own subscriptions to have them by topics or catered for different moods of the day.

Oooooooh, love u.

Subscribing to the feed subscribes to communities in them = federation solved.

On top of that the content is over there organised for you which is not something you otherwise have. You have discoverability solved in 2 ways. If someone has a good feed and you see a cool community missing you can message the owner for them to add it building the collection as a community.

c/all is worse imo and with feeds you will at least have control over picking topics you’re interested in unlike c/all. We should be focusing on opting out from c/all more as it causes far more damage and it’s been that way for a long time unlike feeds on such a small platform that just got the feature implemented.

Also the opt-in would be a great way to KILL the entire feature that’s been the most hyped up and requested feature across the entire threadiverse. BRUH

Imagine having all communities opted out from c/all by default. That would be stupid and make everything hard to access.

Opt-out on the other hand for public feeds specifically is something that I support. But then good luck having that supported on lemmy where almost all communities exist.

E: c/all is just one monolithic feed forced on all users for better perspective about the issue. With custom feeds much like with communities you pick out your interests and follow them specifically and it’s all optional. I don’t see how it could cause more damage than this.

Less goo!

Yes, I want my niche communities back.

I’m pretty sure they don’t take new requests. Saw that on sidebar some time ago.

And fascinating too! The duality of humanity.

Seriously, how the hell is anyone supposed to keep up with this stuff? Or moderate it? I’ve once been on a relatively small server where I could keep up with everything interesting and chat with people I knew. Then it grew, moderation became bad, chats were moving too quickly to even keep up in real time, let alone catch up to what I missed when away. A lot of new people and too many of them to actually build bonds and remember who is who. Countless different discussions happening in the same place at once between different people making things a mess. Topics shifting constantly in real time so if you go do something it already shifted a few times by the time you’re back. Also due to activity you need to actively engage a lot if you want to know what’s even going on in there because things aren’t organised to neatly revisit conversations. Quitting this server was such a relief because I didn’t need to keep up with anything anymore. I still keep in touch with 2 people from there months later though.

E: Plenty dramas too between users I don’t really know and the whole server’s mood shifting and talking about it while I just want to hang out. Big discord servers suck.

Makes me sad that it’s not open source but I will try it in a moment. The link you gave me doesn’t provide a download so I’m grabbing the app from github.

Eeeeh, does this post really fit this community?

Also I use it for pretty much any game I’m interested in. It’s a great tool!

1.) I believe that the discovery is bad and this is why I’m working on [email protected] where the goal is to index the communities for people to discover something to follow even if they weren’t looking for that specifically. I plan to push a huge update to it somewhere next month.

I think that some community (users, not mods) managed recommendation system where you recommend related communities for you to display on the sidebar would be great too. But that’s just an another idea that would never see the light of the day in development. Some communities have sidebars where mods link to related communities but it’s really not flexible enough to link communities to each other easily.

2.) Missing enough people is definitely the biggest problem there because even if people knew about the communities someone still needs to populate them and ideally organically instead of it being 1-2 chronic posters.

3.) Revisiting expectations is definitely needed but generalising communities too much is not ideal because if I want to follow one thing but not the other then I would be stuck with lots of content I don’t care about. There needs to be some middle ground on that. I have a few imaginary communities on themes I enjoy and mod a few others to help out with moderation. I don’t want them to be merged into one blob without a theme going on. This is also why I and the other mod refused to move our communities to [email protected] which doesn’t focus on our preferred niches. But depending on how post tags get implemented in lemmy I would be willing to move to your community. But my requirements would be high like being able to subscribe to only posts from a specific community with specific tags and being able to easily filter posts in community view. Also blacklisting. Basically allowing you to have things in one community but being able to interact with posts as if they were separate ones.

4.) I also think that mod tools and community settings to protect the community and give it direction are severely lacking. For example something like this: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5360

5.) Not being able to create your own custom feeds is also a massive problem because you can’t split your feed into types like memes/news/discussions/meta etc. Low traffic communities get buried in your feed when you subscribe to them making things bad for the growth. And because everything is mixed together it makes things a bit less pleasant to browse as well. If I could use different feeds for different moods I would definitely interact with lemmy and content I like more because it would be easily available.

And some other issues that I’m not remembering right now.

I love art so it’s very much for me. I can see how it wouldn’t seem attractive to people that aren’t into that type of stuff though.

Yea, doing all the research was a grind. I expected it to be a simple purchase because I thought macropads weren’t that niche but I was proven very wrong on that. xD