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  • This isn’t even an issue from Fairphone’s perspective. […] and even those issues that do exist are fringe cases that consumers do not care about.

    There are no issues but those that exist are not important?

    there is nothing actually wrong with Fairphone devices from a security perspective compared to the majority of its competitors

    Update speed is a major issue and Fairphone is not great at it either. Yeah, it is not the worst offender, but that does not mean that it is good.

    people new to this space think it is the only solution to stock Android’s privacy issues

    The other solution is not to use Android, but that brings a lot of new problems. That being said, which other rom is on equal footing with Graphene? I am not aware of one. Even if you differentiate between privacy and security: most degoogled roms still connect to google servers - for SUPL, connectivy checks, NTP, etc and that is unnecessary. For security we can basically just reduce it to update time which is atrocious in all of Android Roms with the exception of GrapheneOS. e/os/, the other preinstalled option for fairphone, is especially bad when it comes to this with updates lagging weeks to months behind in critical security updates. It also advertises as “fully degoogled” which simply is not true when it still connects to google servers.

    And then we get comments lile yours that frame GrapheneOS on Fairphone as an achievable and realistic thing that could happen with better communication, even though neither party is interested in pursuing that.

    So? I’m aware that my hypothetical idea is not the reality. But what hinders it from becoming the reality? As far as I am aware the humans behind each organization have mouths and ears, no?


  • The way they communicate publicly is always so extreme and deliberately lacking in context so that everything is framed as “GrapheneOS = good, competitors = bad”.

    To be fair part of your this is sensationalist “reporting” as above where single tweets (or parts of conversations, etc.) are taken and reported on without offering context.

    So many people shill the absolute fuck out of this project online yet have never put any thought into what their personal threat model is or what features they actually want in a custom OS. They don’t even know why they installed GrapheneOS, they just read comments from other people on social media or watched a YouTube video and blindly followed along.

    Yeah, that tends to happen. Not everyone has the knowledge or the capacity to (learn what a threat model is and) create a threat model and then make calls based on that. But that is not unique to Graphene, that happens everywhere (Streamer promoting/judging video games, Pop stars promoting/judging politicians, etc).

    But in this specific case I would argue that is more of a good thing - even if some people don’t understand the fine details and they just heard “more security, more control, more features” . The increased userbase gives Graphene more leverage and in a just world big companies and countries would maybe rethink their approach to data collection.

    Personally I also hope that Graphene and Fairphone talk with each other instead about each other, because together they could create a fantastic device.

















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    My dad just hugged me, drank his whiskey and let me cry for a bit in his arms.