Okay that is literally not true. First, Ash’arism is also rationalist so yeah no. Like you do know many prominent Muslim scientists from the time period were themselves Asharite right? Second, the Islamic golden age didn’t die due to the power of religious figures; it died due to the sacking of Baghdad and continued right up until that moment. This happened more than two centuries after the creation of Ash’arism, and again many important developments happened in the Caliphate in the interim. Third, the Timurid renaissance came about a century later in a mainstream Sunni Muslim (so definitely not Mu’tazilite or some such) empire. In short:

It is inevitable that the religious mind either abandons their faith, or abandons science.

That literally didn’t happen.

Ultimately, if god existed and created everything… science would be another form of worship.

Yes, as clearly stated in the Quran, that is literally the point.

Sorry my people’s more than a millennium-long history doesn’t conform to your preconceived notions, but can you please not make shit up? Here’s a Wikipedia article. And in the first place, Arab distrust of science is a much more recent phenomenon that came after centuries of Ottoman neglect and is fading away right as we speak despite some of the most conservative mainstream theologies in the history of Islam.

Given how well that worked with Russia, yeah don’t expect much help.

It was religion that got them there.

That’s… what? Like do you think the Assabids were atheists during the Islamic Golden Age?

What. The. Fuck.

That’s… hopeful…

I can’t stand that this piece of shit gets to dictate what most of the world does in their own fucking countries…

Eh, the only new thing to most of the world is how obvious he is about it.

This isn’t the community for discussion-type questions. You have asklemmy and politics communities for that.

I used to call her mama but now I mostly just use her name. My family is weird like that.

I mean tbf dystopian science fiction pretty much emerged as a critique of capitalism, so the only surprising thing here is how close they got it.

As someone watching this from outside: More of this please.

Decades of state propaganda. It’s a lot easier for a modern Westerner to feel like the system works and just needs a nudge than it is for a worker in the interwar period or a black person in the 60s.

Only this strategy has literally never worked. Your rights were secured by people who caused all kinds of disturbances. And in the first place anyone who still hasn’t taken a side is a fascist in denial or will never take a side.

I hate to side with Google, but intellectual property and especially patent law is stupid.

Eh, why not let them dump their money into European economies?

And there’s getting shot by regime snipers. I’m not trying to make an “others had it worse” argument, but let’s not have any illusions about the scale of action and the amount of risk necessary for America to get out of this. The more you wait the more likely it becomes for this happen in the next protest where you live. Also, as I said, they can’t fire everyone. Maidan and Arab Spring protesters returned to their jobs just fine after their revolutions.

Why don’t you want to say what makes a protest effective?

I can’t find the article now, but I read one yesterday about LA protesters doing things like blocking ICE vehicles, towing them away and making noise outside their hotels so they can’t sleep. They’re actually confronting ICE and LAPD, draining away their energy and reducing the pace of arrests. Here’s an example. Do this on a national scale and Trump’s little Gestapo won’t stand a chance.

Good luck not getting fired.

They can’t fire everyone, but more importantly look up the events of Euromaidan, the various Arab spring revolutions and the recent Serbian (or was it Slovakian?) protests. It’s impossible to overthrow authoritarianism without personal risk; that’s just not how that works. You’re free to choose the authoritarianism instead of the personal risk, but then you can’t claim that you’re resisting, because you’re not; it’s either or.

Nonsensical general destruction of your neighbors’ property?

No, real obstruction of fascist activity. And, you know, turning out on a weekday. Mass protests work because, aside from the implicit threat of violence, they grind economic activity to a halt. That is simply not what happens when you parade for two hours on a Saturday.

A mass protest, in and of itself, is not “nothing”.

It is. What happened on June 14th was technically a mass protest, but it has none of the aspects that make a mass protest effective. In essence, that wasn’t a protest; it was a parade. They can, in theory, be used as a launching point for something more effective, but on their own? Yeah, nothing.

You haven’t noticed the National Guard and Marines being deployed there?

Okay and? They were deployed because ICE wasn’t able to do their jobs, and even now they’re suffering widespread harassment and obstruction. Not getting backlash because you did nothing isn’t the flex you think it is.

Mass protests where people did nothing in particular. That is, in fact, not resistance. People in LA are actually making it harder for ICE to terrorize them.

Is it me or is LA the only part of America doing anything resembling resistance?