Just a quick note that PieFed allows you to easily block all users from a given instance, like a personal defederation with no need for admin powers. Your way also works, but you’d have to block thousands of users individually, plus new ones that sign up later.

While in contrast the option that looks like it would work easily, the “instance block”, in fact is strongly misleading - still allowing those users to vote on your content, reply to you, submit posts in other communities, DM you, triggering notifications, etc. Essentially it does not “block” the “instance” at all, only muting communities hosted on them.

Only if Lemmy was the only Reddit alternative. As so many people are saying though, it’s not.

e.g. PieFed not only exists but it has surpassed Lemmy in most ways in terms of feature development. And it continues to add new features at an astonishing pace.

There is no hope for “Lemmy” reaching the mainstream in my mind, but with PieFed leading the way, and Mbin also exists (that sounds mean so I’ll clarify: it has <1k users worldwide iirc), and yes a fork of Lemmy could be created if necessary, there is hope for the Threadiverse (federated threaded-based conversational platforms) overall.

Try out PieFed, even just the sign up wizard will leave you amazed. Donate to both its development and the operation costs of the instance that you choose (PieFed.social, PieFed.zip, several others to choose from).

I never said it was unworthy, just that for whatever reason, people are not doing it. And… it is incomplete? And perhaps “extremely” niche is the wrong phrase but definitely “common” is something that it is not.

Again, I have not asked you to take my word for it: compare the feature sets yourself to see the empircal evidence with your own eyes.

written in Python (which many developers are already familiar with, rather than the extremely niche Rust that even experienced C++ coders are loathe to have to learn)

There are pros and cons to every language. Is what I said inaccurate? “Many developers are already familiar with” Python, whereas many people are not wanting to learn Rust. I’m not saying it’s not a good language (or that it won’t be one when it gets finished), but from the standpoint of how many people are willing to join a project to write code for the Threadiverse, it does hold back feature development.

It is your choice: you could look at the set of features that PieFed has and how quickly they were developed, and you could compare that to the requests sent to Lemmy for features that have not and seem at this pace like they will never be done, and you may conclude whatever you like.

Maybe it’s not the language, maybe the PieFed devs are just simply that good while the Lemmy ones are not, is that what you are implying?

Or maybe you don’t know the feature comparison between those two software platforms - fwiw I included a link above.

Supporting Lemmy won’t do much to help the Threadiverse thrive imho. Instead I suggest supporting PieFed, for many uh… reasons. One being that it is written in Python (which many developers are already familiar with, rather than the extremely niche Rust that even experienced C++ coders are loathe to have to learn) and thus has a ton of features already that Lemmy lacks (see https://join.piefed.social/features/), plus it’s only continuing to add still yet more, on a monthly basis even.

By comparison, Lemmy requests sit for literally years and years, while a lot of the donations, rather than going to support further code development, instead goes to support the, let’s just say “highly controversial” instance lemmy.ml.

Lemmy won’t “die”, but it’s never going to hit mainstream. Visit r/RedditAlternatives in any given post to find out why (hint: tankies, which Westerners do not like, probably bc tankie instances are full of content calling for the literal murder of Westerners as well as the actual fall of those civilizations - for some reason though these anti-Western sentiments seems to drive people who live there away? Go figure!🤪🙃).

PieFed on the other hand might just have a chance, and the dev team is super friendly and highly responsive. At least check it out.

Also, post content! More than most other things you could do, that would help a lot.

This ignores how money donated supposedly to support development of the Lemmy codebase goes instead towards moderation of their personal instance. Unless you want to donate to Nutomic specifically (which has other issues), there is no way to donate specifically to develop Lemmy code.

So ironically the answer to your question lies in the lines that are lacking, but that would have been there otherwise.

Bottom line is that it’s their code and they can do as they please. Meanwhile, I switched to PieFed. I wish you good luck with that extremely slow-paced development of Lemmy, but I am not putting any hope into it myself anymore.

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It would have been funnier to say that you didn’t know where it is. 🤪

They are eggs that hatched.

Gosh gee golly gee willikers no. Only DAMN paper and up will do the trick (HELL, FUCK, SHIT, etc.).

Mostly the context here is that it is something that people report as their reason for giving up on the Threadiverse. In that sense, it even being true or not is irrelevant in that it is a problem that substantially hinders growth either way.

That said, I do sadly think it is true. I often block communities where this happens but whenever I take a peek at them anyway I see daily calls for actual murder even in like meme communities. Separately from the utility of such actions, it becomes wearisome to always have to read or be forced to block the vast majority of the Threadiverse in order to avoid such. Case in point: 🌽 (an effort to fight against all the doom and gloom USA politics posting).

Edit: but here is a test that you can do. Imagine you are a mainstream normie user, scroll through All or better yet just go straight to [email protected] and reply to a comment there something to the effect that things were slightly better under Biden’s presidency than under Trump. When I said something the tiniest bit positive (something like at least he lowered gas prices and that was something), I got replies for WEEKS and WEEKS afterwards, long after I stopped responding. And then I did the same thing in a community on lemmygrad.ml. After which I nearly gave up on Lemmy entirely, because it simply wasn’t fun (or worthwhile to me).

Now arguably that is not so much my fault, nor theirs either as that is the purpose of that community and they should be free to do as they please? The issue there - setting aside for a moment the most major considerations of an echo chamber effect where edgelords are encouraged to spill their vitriol rather than speak in a more measured capacity - seems to me to be a mismatch between the usual expectations of someone new coming over from the likes of Reddit, Threads/Facebook, etc. Getting dunked on when you never had an opportunity to read the community sidebar text (Lemmy won’t show it, if you arrive at the post via All, plus many apps seem to go to some lengths to actively hide it behind like 5 clicks in various sub-menus) is not a pleasant experience, and when you see that >90% of posts on Lemmy, if they are not Linux or anime or furry, are related to politics especially USA politics, then I can well understand why someone new does not want to dig through all that trash just to find something worthwhile to read.

Face it: setting aside a superior protocol, what actual content do we have here, that would entice someone to come her from Reddit? We are toxic, and the tools are not easy to use. (… YET! Though PieFed is changing all of that, e.g. the introductory wizard for new users, yay!) Which is why defederating from places like Hexbear is something I strongly support, thereby making it opt-in rather than forcing people to try to find a way to make it opt-out (which on Lemmy is impossible - there is no true instance block, only a horribly misnamed community muting option, which blocks only the tiniest portion of the content from an instance, i.e. it does not in fact block it at all.)

What happened to jeans 👖? Do they lie forgotten in the dustbin of Lemmy history?

I almost left the Threadiverse entirely, for being far too toxic.

Thankfully, PieFed exists, with the capability to block whole entire instances (Lemmy’s is not a true block - users can still comment, vote on your content, DM you, which triggers notifications, etc. - that “community morning (edit: muting, for those who enjoy proper spelling)” is horribly misnamed as an “instance block” that barely “blocks” anything).

That will never happen, and if you want to find out why, listen to the complaints that people make over on r/RedditAlternatives.

Chief among them are (1) tankie devs, (2) too political, and (3) too toxic. To see what they mean, try Google search (what a typical mainstream normie would use) for the word “Lemmy”, which nowadays takes you to Lemmy.world but for the longest time went to Lemmy ml. Which by default to a user without a login shows Local posts rather than Global.

Now imagine what that looks like just before an election in a Western nation… and you can entirely understand why members of Western capitalist, democratic nations, do not feel welcomed in a space that constantly jokes about murdering or at least cheering on the mass deaths of people that fit exactly that description. No I don’t (just) mean billionaires - I mean anyone who participates in usual society.

We who use blocklists forget what the experience looks like to an outside, traditional mainstream user.

Lemmy will continue to shrink, and the user base mostly seems either outright pleased or at least resigned to that fact. If you are not, then good luck being a part of the change that you want to see - which you already are, just by having chosen a PieFed (rather than Lemmy) instance!:-)

Edit: to add one more point, it is the Paradox of Intolerance, or another name for it is the Nazi bar effect. Imagine asking your Jewish friends to join you in the corner of a known Nazi bar where you hand out. Yes you can walk past all the actual, literal Nazis and enjoy your little corner apart from them… but do not be so surprised if your friends refuse to join you there?

Correct:-). Though the person you were replying to might not have pursued the issue quite as far to determine that fact (or there could still be other issues going on besides that?).

There is this post: https://sh.itjust.works/post/51085128