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Cake day: August 11th, 2023

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  • Not even finally having to maybe give something back? Wow… Even more of a nothingburger than I’d thought. I am quite ignorant of the reality of South Africa, and the whole southern hemisphere I think. (I can however imagine Trump claiming, if it had passed, that the Australian Aboriginal Rights law was an act of genocide on European Australians.)

    Did hear that the ANC is continuing to have a lot of internal strife with Rhamposa and the previous leader who was removed for corruption. Is Rhamposa any better? And does the nation as a whole feel like it’s able to try to move to better things? (Can’t imagine it does from you saying it doesn’t look like white land owners will have to pay out any more than poverty wages on the near future.)


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    No, I don’t. There does seem to be a lot of forced cultural assimilation going on, which is not the same thing as ethnic cleansing. According to the original meaning of the term “genocide,” enforced cultural assimilation most definitely does count as genocidal, though.

    You’re right, I should’ve gone with genocide here, I’ve been to used to swapping it for ethnic cleansing when talking about Israel and wasn’t switched on enough to properly look at the differences.

    just look at the (supposed) “genocide” they invented out of whole cloth (supposedly) occuring in South Africa.

    Fully agree. White farmers having to finally pay recompense for decades of oppression and undo the dark deal where the ANC gave up it’s economic policies in return for a peaceful handover of power is not a genocide, ethnic cleansing, or even cultural oppression.

    how Anglophones have used the term “race” in the past - the concept of “race” just had to be conflated with nearly everything, including, but not limited to, nationality, ethnicity, religion and even geography.

    Scientific racism has a lot to answer for. I get that the word “race” has a lot of baggage these days, and do try not to use it myself, but I also recognise that there are plenty of not necessarily problematic uses of it, especially amongst the wide range of dialects and variants English comes in. So if it’s clear it’s just being used as it often has been and still is as a synonym for ethnicity, I don’t think it’s a huge problem. On the other hand, if someone brings up race as linked to skin tone or some other racist rubbish, I’m very quick to point out the lack of science and falsitity of it.

    What is your mother tongue, if I may ask? I’m intrigued to how it differs across the words used for the topic.



  • Maybe, I think it’s an older carry-over from days when people would say the admittedly yikes sounding “German race” or “Anglo-Saxon race” or “Gaelic race”. (“Hhmong race”, “Han race”, “Amazigh race”, “Mexica race” all sound less yikes.) I think that makes it clear enough to understand, and according to the OED it can mean a whole raft of genetically linked people, from the clear genetics and culture of direct family upto fictional and orientalistly imposed ideas of unity of people who live in other parts of the world.

    Possibly it comes from translating, especially East Asian languages, into English. Maybe just from being less immersed in precise Anglophone Leftist thought? I’m figuring you’re university educated European.

    May I circle back to asking you (this and) the reworded question? Do you accept/believe that ethnic cleansing of the Uyghur ethnicity is taking place in Xinjiang?





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    Tankies are very good at ignoring anything even possibly non-ideal in the PRC and USSR (and sometimes even Russia too!).

    I’ll try to remember to link it in a new reply to you next time I stumble across it being used in order to deflect from the US or draw criticism to China over the topic at hand.