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  • A big part of it is Americans at large object to any kind of coercive governance however it manifests. I can’t in good faith say that nations like China or N Korea that exercise such tight control over the public media and messaging are a net good to their population. Cooperative social goals for universal housing, healthcare, a decent standard of living are good, but we have a huge portion of ‘bootstraps’ minded folks that get in the way. In the meantime we get this piecemeal patchwork that we have that over time has lent itself to rights for minorities of various stripes that eventually get adopted as the norm. Right now we’re sitting at a spot where the pendulum of progress is being pushed hard back right, how to stop that is the tough question.


  • See I don’t mind a decent conversation with them either. I actually hold a lot of ‘leftist’ views myself. What gets to be troublesome is when people come in with a perspective that what passes for liberal in the US is violently evil. Our system is very flawed, easily viewed by the way the electoral college allows for a person with less of the popular vote to win. However, it’s what exists and without some massive uprising changes are going to be slow at best.

    Look at the chaos that came from the George Floyd murder. That went on for a few months and little of major note changed. Or the occupy Wall Street that just kind of petered out to nothing. The media moves on to the next shiny thing and people lose interest. The most recent with the killing of a CEO was just a couple weeks ago and you can already feel the fervor for it slowing down.

    People have good reason to want changes, and so many times ‘liberal’ and ‘leftist’ people have similar stated goals. It often feels that the liberals are being fought from both sides, one actively against them in principal and the other yelling for trying to work with the system as it exists.



  • I’d expect if there was an equivalent of ‘gab’ or ‘truth social’ they would be defederated too. I can understand an action like that because people join these places specifically because it’s an echo chamber fitting their viewpoints and they’re allowed and even encouraged to be hostile to outsiders.

    With the way the fedi is set up you can certainly set up multiple accounts, and I’m sure there are more than a couple from those instances cut off that create accounts elsewhere to have those conversations. The difference being that they’re expected to behave in a civil fashion rather than just screaming at others.

    On my single-user instance I haven’t defederated anyone and only blocked a handful of outright spam/troll accounts and a couple who seem to have a single life purpose to push an agenda.


  • I’ll generally agree to all that. What I notice though is that far left instances (and I imagine far right as well, though I don’t think I’ve really seen any on Lemmy) are far quicker to delete and ban than a more centrist instance who are more prone to let the argument play out unless it gets outright hostile/personal. When that delete button is too easy to use you get where someone can’t have a proper discussion at all.


  • To reword using more proper terms for the system, ‘communities reside in instances’. A community called ‘news’ on .world’s instance is a far different thing than on hexbear for example.

    An echochamber is just a trait of a given community where any dissenting views from the home instance mods are reported and deleted. At least those actions are visible via the modlogs on here so it stays transparent though.


  • The format is certainly more conducive to discussion. On the flip side though since communities reside in spaces and are moderated by individuals here, compared to the more ‘broadcast’ nature of using tags on Mastodon, you end up with some really bad echo chambers on Lemmy. Just a quick look at a basic news community between instances will show a massive slant depending who runs it. With Mastodon people talk more globally and the obnoxious ones just get blocked en-masse rather than so much being at a mod’s whim.