You’re correct in that you never said they were immigrants. You said they were a family living 10 people to a two bedroom and running a restaurant that sells food out the window. This is an extremely common immigration tactic, and doesn’t occur much outside of that scenario, but okay I will withdraw my assumption. The rest, however, remains the same. These people weren’t stealing cars, they weren’t stealing anything from anyone. Their water use wasn’t stealing. Their water use didn’t take water out of your house and it didn’t adversely affect anyone or anything aside from a poorly planned HOA water monitoring system. Like you said, these units are owned primarily by single owners. Why shouldn’t they have individual meters? $180 a month is a miserable HOA fee and a high water bill for a single person in a condo alone as well. I don’t know why they’d have to pay for their own meter or monitoring service, that’s never been the case anywhere I’ve ever lived, but I’m positive they saved money in the long run assuming the HOA reflected the change in their monthly dues. But again, they didn’t steal and they didn’t fuck over their neighbors. They fed people, boosted the local economy, and shone a light on shitty HOA practices.

Also, why should they have individual meters in the first place when the existing system had worked for over a decade without issue

So any system that has functioned historically should never be reconsidered or replaced? Who exactly was it working for? Are you worried about the bottom line of your HOA?

Let me put it into perspective, these two abnormal building bills accounted for $47,000 a year in extra water charges or about 20% of the HOA’s annual budget (and that’s just the excess, not the rest of the bill).

But yeah, it’s ok to fuck over your neighbors because you’re struggling and corporations are worse.

I’ve gotta say, it sounds like the only ones doing the fucking over here are the HOA to it’s tenants, then using the totally not migrant renters as a scapegoat. pretty typical HOA stuff in my experience.

That’s speculation at best.

I mean that’s what you’re doing, too. That’s part of having a conversation. There are statistics that back my speculation, but at the end of the day we’re discussing strangers.

That being said, people making the best of their situation are never taking advantage of a system, especially a system designed specifically to keep them down. You think they’re crammed into that condo, five to a bedroom, by choice? The 32x water usage is nothing compared to what corporations take from us every second of every minute of every day when they’re actually taking advantage of the system. This family is, again, feeding people and simply trying to survive. The system wants you to condemn the family of immigrants rather than the single billionaires taking exponentially more from each of us and doing exponentially more damage. And that’s not speculation, that’s how it is. And they should have had individual meters in the first place, so let’s not act like that’s the consequence of some grave injustice, either. Would have prevented the whole issue in the first place.

They weren’t over using it because it was free, though, that’s the thing. They were using it for a legitimate purpose: feeding others and supporting themselves financially. They didn’t choose how the complex handled billing for water, and people like this will usually happily pay their fair share given the opportunity. We as a society act like people cramming their ten person family into a two bedroom apartment are the ones taking advantage of the system when it’s 1000% the other way around.

The immutable thing is nice, though it takes some getting used to. It’s Fedora which I already love, without any of the hassle. Everything just works. I never realized how much time I was wasting until I didn’t have to do it anymore. Every task I throw at it, it performs beautifully, even things I’m sure aren’t going to work out of the box do. Every time, so far.

I’m three of those new installs. Bazzite has surpassed every expectation I had.

Would buy

That is surprising for those who have a long familiarity with Loops. The chronological timeline was a major selling point.

When it comes to rich people giving other rich people accolades and golden statues the best thing we can do is ignore them entirely. They think it matters and we prove them right by clicking the link. Don’t click the link and suddenly they get the hint that they aren’t important to anyone outside of their bubble.

Loops… Algorithm???

Going around pretending to be a therapist to add some guise of psychological authority when you’re telling people they should be ashamed of themselves is disgusting and abhorrent behaviour and you should be deeply ashamed of yourself.

And if you’re for real I’d like to schedule a session. Seriously.

They literally wrote in a book what they were going to do and then did it, and were caught doing it and kept doing it, and they continue doing it despite the fact they keep getting caught because so many have their heads buried squarely in the sand. But yeah, deeply toxic to point out. Definitely the cause of fascism.

Not wasting my time having this conversation when any thought out well reasoned response is just going to be removed by someone tripping on the least amount of power possible. But I will say you are reading this incorrectly. I don’t say must because you’re in a hostage situation, I say must because it is what has to happen to avoid fascism. Put your oppositional defiance disorder aside for a second and look at the situation realistically and objectively. Those saying the Dems are fascist anyway need a swift reality check, the Biden era was a golden age compared to this singular year. Do the Dems have to do more and better? Of course they do, that’s neither here nor there, but holding them to initially higher standards than Republicans just lets the Republicans get away with literal actual murder.

Literally mentioned an example of democrats failing in my now removed comment, but with context removed it’s real easy to say something banal and act like you’ve really accomplished something.

And discussing the logistics of our current electoral system is not liberalism, mod 🙄

Unfortunately you can’t reason people out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.

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So you love her, you can’t be stopped, and you have no reasons??? Not an interrogation, you stated an opinion, I asked, out of genuine curiosity, why? If you can’t or won’t justify your opinion then keep it to yourself rather than asking the people reading it to go elsewhere.

Jill “I emerge from my hibernation once every four years to siphon off votes from the Dems” Stein certainly isn’t helping, though.

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I have seen it. I don’t remember hating it but for the life of me I could not tell you a single thing that the movie is about.

No it’s not hard, but I still very rarely see people supplying their own bags. Instead they’re paying five to ten cents per bag which used to be free but now is a vector for profits to the company, and which used to be made of thin flimsy plastic but is now thick plastic that will take much much longer to degrade. Like I said these bans have been great for the grocery stores profits. It’s nice that they do quantifiably reduce plastic waste, though.