There are counterexamples for sure but there are whole indistries that fell over to this pattern. E.g. TVs.

Unlikely. Their ODM bought them. Our home maps would however become part of their property. While I’m not happy about it, I think I prefer that than Amazon having it tbh.

Yet another example that the firms that actually make the things are the ones that matter in the long run.

Apparently Picea makes Roomba, Shark, Anker (Eufy). Maybe also some Dyson.

While not ideal, it’s totally standard state of affairs. Even in PC Linux there are often some binary blobs required for proper function of some hardware. E.g. non-free firmware in Debian.

Yes. The way things ate going, at some point it may become less harmful and easier to deal with unwanted Chinese tech than American. Pay much lower profit margins as a bonus.

At some point we’d have to start importing TVs from the other side of the Great Chinese Firewall to avoid unwanted US tech. It’s getting ridiculous.

Oh that looks like a nice resource.

Yes and my point is that even if the corpo pays, which it absolutely should, that’s not the end of the economic effect when that resource is used to the limit at the moment. We will end up paying too.

The demand for construction workers? If so, it could, if there’s enough unemployment. Otherwise workers from some other industry would have to shift to construction. Creating a shortage in that industry. Switching industries is a more difficult process than getting an unemployed worker to work in construction though. But if there’s already a labour shortage in the construction industry, then that answers the question. There isn’t enough unemployment or shifting from other industries to fill the demand. And there seems to be one.

If there’s underemployment in construction or higher unemployment, then yeah, the construction labour market would likely expand without much effect in housing and infrastructure.

When unemployment is low in the construction sector, we can’t have them pay. When they pay, they’ll outbid us for workers who were previously building homes and public infrastructure. We’d either have to outbid cloud for these workers, or we’d pay by having higher housing prices and crumbling infrastructure, which incurs other social costs. Real resources are finite. The only way for us to not pay is for them to not build the power plants and datacenters. In a truly democratic system we’d be able to say no. In this system, capital outvotes us.

E: I’m not arguing that the corpos shouldn’t pay. They should. I’m arguing the economic effect doesn’t stop with that payment and we’re still fucked.

It’s also the only way to save it from destruction driven by its major shareholders.

And any reductions in power consumption would be eliminated by adding more compute capacity.

That’s pretty interesting. No GObject and GPLv3.

I don’t know anarchism in depth but reading through the comments here, this is what strikes me as an obvious vulnerability of the ideology. That and the seeming lack of a mechanism against returnung to capitalist production.

The examples of societies in this thread are inefficient in terms of production. While that’s probably a good thing for quality of life, it tells me they likely wouldn’t be able to produce enough defence goods to stop a capitalist from taking over and throwing them into factories for 12 hours per day. Capitalism being great at producing weapons efficiently.

I don’t think that’s the message of the meme. The way I get it is that we can and should be aligned at least until we abolish capitalism. I don’t pretend to agree, I do agree - I’d work with anyone who opposes capital from the left. Including MLs even if I don’t buy everything in ML. Or anarchists for that matter.

It’s working brillianty for the owner class so far.

Sorry what’s the quiet part? I’m confused.

Yup, there’s definitely use cases but the battery is a no-no. It has to be replaceable even if it compromises the design a bit.