I don’t think that’s the message of the meme. The way I get is that we can and should be aligned at least until we abolish capitalism. I don’t pretend to agree - I’d work with anyone who opposes capital from the left. Incliding MLs even if I don’t buy everything in ML. Or anarchists for that matter.

It’s working brillianty for the owner class so far.

Sorry what’s the quiet part? I’m confused.

Yup, there’s definitely use cases but the battery is a no-no. It has to be replaceable even if it compromises the design a bit.

I thought as much but it’s still satire in the absract. Just coming from the anti-“tankie” left.

BTW, I think lemmy.ml would do well to stop deleting comments like the linked one or banning the people who write them. It ends up cleaning up their histories. Also it ends up throwing fewer counterarguments into normies’ eyes. People read and think. If one has heard all their life that Chinese people can’t wait to be liberated and they see the opinion poll you posted there, something cracks. Speaking from experience.

Are there any a|ternatives to n8n?

Sounds like a problem with the hosting of lemmy.world. I think they’re using Hetzner. I don’t think Lemmy cares at all what IP you come from.

That’s the point of it. It’s satire of the horseshoe theory.

Comrades of all stripes, stethoscope and fish hook theorists, we stand united in hatred of the capitalist death cult. No downvotes!

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I think you’re describing the horeseshoe theory:

I understand that feeling. If it’s strong enough to drive to using a different base I wouldn’t care much even if it’s more work. The staffing and funding is the real difficult part.

From technical perspective, other than perhaps the software license choice, there’s nothing in AOSP that I’m aware of (not the closed source parts) that’s driven by the oligarchy. I’ve been involved with AOSP at the OEM level for some ten years, some in the early 2010s and then since 2020. AOSP has been fairly well isolated from non-technical decisionmaking at Google, in part due to how many third parties heavily depend on it, and in part because of how pluggable the APIs are. The plugability allowed all anti-features so far to go into installable components that don’t need to be a part of the OS. I think this bullshit with the app “sideloading” changes is the first major change that has no technical basis whatsoever that I’m aware of and requires AOSP surgery to accomodate. There may be more to come from here on out.

I guess you could chalk up the lack of open source app development as part of the oligatchic shitfuckery. I guess it is, but the base apps really are separate from the OS and they’re a pretty small effort compared to the rest of the OS and frameworks.

Anyway. I’ll get this next Jolla phone to try out. Sailfish is an evolution of MeeGo which was the most promising Android alternative in the early 2010s. 😁

Sure but that no longer matters if you have say Igalia staff a 200-people team with EU funding to develop NOSP (Nondroid Open Source Project) a hard fork which no longer accepts any changes from Google. All the decisions happen without Google’s direction. Since that would be already compatible with hardware in the near term, the EU could mandate manufacturers who want to sell in the EU to ship phone variants based on NOSP.

The APIs and OS infrastructure that already exists in AOSP is enormous. I develop system software for AOSP, for a living. It’s been stagnant becauase the OS is basically complete. There’s no major gaps of any kind left. You don’t want the OS to move much unless there’s problems to solve or gaps to fill.

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It can run Android apps!

On the software front, our fastest way to independence is a state-funded software org to fork Android and begin development and maintenance full-time. Whether one goes with non-Android or Android OS, it always comes down to funding development. Starting with Android would likely be significantly cheaper since a lot of work has already been done. And if you fund its continued development away from Google, then Google isn’t a factor anymore. Make an independent app store, Play Services replacement, etc. As I said in another thread, the social infrastructure (people, labour) is more important than the exact technology used. If we have that, we can make a usable phone out of Android or Sailfish, or anything else. It’s a matter of doing the work.

Having independent software with PRC-hardware isn’t a bad compromise. Especially in the near term.

Yup. I opted for mininally computerized Whirlpool based on some of his stuff in 2020. Mainly because they’re simple and there’s plenty of parts and repair people who can fix them in Canada.

We really need an Android alternative with no involvement from American or Chinese companies.

This won’t occur without state intervention. The market has already decided to move design and production of phones and phone components to China (and Vietnam to some extent). In order for a European phone to be made, in Europe, the necessary supply chains need to be buit. But there’s no market for them as their output would be more expensive and the market already figured the maximum profit is in the China-Vietnam manufacturing mix. So the state would have to create these supply chains. Minerals, displays, diodes, MOSFETs, ICs, caps, PCBs and small cells. Once that’s in place, creating a European phone manufacturer becomes possible. That’s a decade long process that simpy won’t occur without deliberate and persistent state support. I think it should be done, however you may find a lot of opposition by free market fundamentalists, or interest groups that represent capital in other industries receiving state support.

Currently it’s in close proximity to the tip of Big Tech’s … production output pipe.