Commiunism

My god, stop putting words in my mouth that I’m some kind of anti-communist as a whole due to not recognizing China as being Socialist. Sorry for viewing things through historical materialism and it not passing the sniff test I guess.

That comment was referring to the private model which, you’re right, is not the exact same in execution but it’s remarkably similar in principle given both systems’ state dominance in key economic areas with the co-existence of private ownership.

Fascist Italy did hold a significant portion of state ownership in heavy industry/shipbuilding/banking/infrastructure by 1930, so it wasn’t entirely driven by private ownership. China economy isn’t necessarily public either (at least depending on who you ask) given how it’s state owned with state acting as the surplus-extracting capitalist and having the final say rather than collectivized and owned by the workers.

Relax, it’s just a joke given how the image essentially is “communist is when many trains, capitalism is when one bad train”. Making a reference to Mussolini, one of the most famous liberals of all time is always gonna be funny

It’s not even that, given how there’s a decent chunk of their economy owned by private individuals

It’s not a stretch, it’s outright false to call it communism or socialism, systems which necessitate the abolishment of capitalist mode of production (commodity production, private ownership, markets) and money. China, meanwhile, literally has billionaires, still produces things under capitalist mode of production and the only oddity it has compared to other Capitalist countries is partially nationalized economy (which Mussolini has also done, it’s not socialism by itself).

It’s just a social democracy.

Communism is when trains run on time

Holy shit why is every .worlder so aggressive? I don’t know how you derived such a conclusion from my original comment, so let me explain:

Proletarians, soldiers, peasants and so on overthrew the Tsarists, and in this popular front of sorts proletariat had demands for the liberal provisional government, such as Russia’s withdrawal from WW1, land and labor reforms - things of that nature. The provisional liberal government failed to meet any of that (either via stalling or evading action), and they also didn’t withdraw from the war, and these reasons definitely contributed to November revolution.

Simplified to not make it too long, but that’s the core point - nothing to do with Marxist ideals.

1. The best way to ‘convert’ someone is for them to literally “figure it out” by themselves and start reading political theory via their own volition to grasp the world better rather than get their worldview from inconsistent, barely coherent liberal media slop. It’s impossible to ‘convert’ purely via a singular argument, just look at linux users trying to convert entrenched windows users.

2. The comment was a reference to how radicalized socialist workers (who’d make up military core and who had demands like worker councils, socialization of industry) would team up with liberal elements in a popular front type of way, only for this front after winning to immediately betray and sideline the worker’s demands. Historical examples: French revolutions, overthrow of Fascist Italy, February revolution in Russia, etc.

Revolution will be achieved through collaboration with liberal moderates (hitlerites)