I think 2022 it was 1 person and most just got given a sentence and an ankle bracelet and served the sentence that way.

This reminds me of the lone person refusing conscription in israel and the propaganda dismissing the actual number of people ending up in jail.

https://ebco-beoc.org/finland

“I’m not sure what you mean with this, what form would it take, some sort of militia or what sort of thing?”

Putting an electronic bracelet on someone who refuse conscription it’s a big giveaway of government true intentions: they want to have control on people. Being under house arrests or in jail is a limit to the ability to defend yourself, not being drafted isn’t.

I didn’t mean it rhetorically, how would you ensure a credible defence for Finland? It’s the big issue.

Allowing people to defend themself as they want and not forcing them into an authoritarian army with jail as a repercussion would ensure a better defense if you ask me. Drafting people by force only benefit the government and rulers not people.

And most people who don’t want to do conscription go to civil service. Working in a library, school, such things. For women the whole thing is voluntary.

https://www.thelocal.se/20190404/sweden-hands-out-first-jail-terms-for-draft-evasion

I’m not sure what other sensible alternative there is for Finland than conscription.

What’s the alternative to slavery? How do we get our food without a slave forced to farm 14h a day?

Actually funnily enough people are surprisingly supportive of expanding the conscription

So supportive that if they refuse to go they go to jail.

The difficult part is organizing enough people.

Governments work hard in preventing people from organizing. Mass media and centralized socials are directly sponsored by the government.

Being forced to do it means that you must do it even if you don’t want to. You are forced to do it even if you are happily willing to do it, you have no (legal) decision on it.

A country that cares for you wouldn’t force you to join the military and put you in jail if you refuse.

Labels are a real tool used to control and manipulate people

We will also de-corrupt and fix any of them.

Nordic nations have the blueprint.

They may be doing certain things right but do other totally wrong like forced conscription. Keep also in mind that they exploit third world countries like everyone else, their goods are made in china.

And now you know why corporations and politicians don’t use mastodon

Stop spilling your hate of Europe

Pushing authoritarian laws and surveillance is being hateful toward europe and everyone who lives there.

and you seem projecting something

You are such a bad faith actor it’s insane.

We are discussing authoritarian laws that limits people freedom and the argument you are using is that “the law is the law”. You are being a bad faith actor yourself as big as the burj khalifa. If we were in nazi germany you would be backing the racist laws because they are laws.

It’s a basic societal understanding that if we live in a society there will be laws to stop bad shit from happening.

There’s more bad shit happening due to weed being illegal, like entire criminal organizations smuggling it which resulted in the government of france trying to ban encryption to fight them.

https://tuta.com/blog/france-surveillance-nacrotrafic-law

I’m simply tagging here someone who just yesterday called me out for highlighting authoritarian shit in a thread claiming europe to be “the land of the free”.

I have difficulty to believe people like you dont have an agenda and are not purposefully trolling.

You sound to have a much bigger agenda if you ask me, i’m not taking the side of any authoritarian government or bill here.

easy block potential

You don’t sound too smart and quite prone to lose your patience so i encourage you to engage in arguments with people rather than blocking them.

“Europe is bad actually!” or whatever the fuck nonsense they were arguing about…

We are in a thread discussing a bill aimed at forcing ID verification for certain websites, this is quite bad.

https://tuta.com/blog/france-surveillance-nacrotrafic-law

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As it currently stands, the morally correct option for food production would probably be for a large amount of the population to starve. That, of course, is also not entirely morally correct.

Considering almost 1.5 billion adults in the world are overweight it wouldn’t be so bad to let some people starve.

Guess what, most if not all veggies and vegans are also doing something morally dubious at best. Factory farming, extensive farming, they’re all bad for the soil, bad for native wildlife, bad for native plants. The societal impacts of factory farming are also not small. In the end, the moral lines people draw are mostly at different places, neither is undoubtedly better than the other.

Animals needs to eat and drink too, the meat industry has the highest tool on the farming industry.

I have personally tried to give up meat twice, once for 6 months and once for a year. On both cases my health suffered massively for it, and I went back to eating meat. I had a cousin who was, for many years, a hardcore vegetarian. She was also of the opinion that eating meat was wrong. A few years ago she reintroduced fish in her diet to overcome health issues after fighting them for years. Most symptoms subsided in a handful of months. I believe she now also eats beef, although infrequently and in small quantities. I’m sorry to be that guy but reality is more complex than whatever moral line any one of us would like to draw. You’re not wrong but it would behoove you to acquire some nuance on your thoughts.

It sound like your diet was off, if you don’t eat animal products you need valid alternatives to complete and balance your diet. In cultures shaped around animal products it may not be automatic or easy to find alternatives. Our ancestors diet for example had less meat and more lentils, in countries were they consume less meat you are most likely to find popular dish with other proteins sources.

Don’t waste your time with reddit. Search around and you will find servers with smarter mods than .world or .lm

Who said that AI art doesn’t carry a message or emotions? With AI you can create much easily photorealistic faces that carries twice the emotion than a sketch with frog eyes.

An artist using references doesn’t just copy and paste, there’s a whole process of understanding what they’re looking at, their interpretation of it, of why it is like that and of how they can learn something new from it, things that AI generators cannot do.

Why are you assuming there’s no artistic process behind using image generators? Have you ever play around with graphic softwares?

There are a thousand ways you can make art. In the japanese industry they use may techniques that one could consider gimmicks, for example even famous mangaka have assistants who draw for them or they use 3d models or real pictures as backgrounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7wyjDvu_Ao

with traditional art you have to put skill, knowledge and personality into your work, with digital art it’s the same thing but with computers, with AI “art” you don’t.

I think many people here have a romantic view of how art is made and never tried AI image generators. Would you be able to tell apart an artist who use reference pictures and one who doesn’t?