Yeah, I agree with you on that.
If discoverability was better, I’m sure Android would get way more ports of good games. With the way it is right now with shovelware and Google pushing microtransaction-riddled crap over one time purchase games, though, it’s treated as a second-class platform because it’s not nearly as profitable as other platforms.
Which part of my comment was denigrating indie devs? Indie games are great. Android gaming is currently not.
If I’m looking for a good non-mobile game, I don’t go looking in the mobile game store. I go looking on PSN or PC, where the focus is on the kind of game that wasn’t designed as a phone-first experience.
The fact that Android has some good traditional games or ports of indie gems isn’t something inherent to Android. The overwhelming majority of those games were on PC or console first.
Oh, there’s no doubt about that. I’m not disagreeing that Android has some good-looking games. The problem is that games like GRID Legends Mobile are the exception, not the rule.
The Switch is crap, yes.
The Play Store is also overwhelmingly crap, though.
If you exclude all of the mobile games from both stores, the Switch simply has a better catalog of games.
You’re comparing apples to oranges.
The mobile gaming market is leagues larger than every other market combined. That doesn’t mean the games are even remotely comparable to console games.
It’s an entirely different target audience. Mobile games are focused on quick sessions and design patterns designed to encourage spending money on microtransactions. Games made for the traditional gaming market are mostly designed for longer play sessions with more mechanically complex gameplay. I as well as many others prefer the latter.
Nintendo’s store is full of shovelware, but at least you’ll find more traditional games than just ports of indie hits. Or, buy a Steam Deck and enjoy something better than both.
The OP is really blowing smoke up Android’s ass when it comes to the quality of native Android games. Most “top” mobile games are freemium crap riddled with microtransactions.
What it does have, however, is emulators. Including one for the Switch itself. Paying $350 for decade-old hardware and $80 for games is just bad value compared to a $300 used S21 and $0 games.
5.6% of [respondents] users said they wouldn’t pre-order [on Epic] knowing it would influence exclusivity, 2.7% said they would.
They really brought in those big dollars with making Borderlands 3 a timed exclusive on Epic. A whole 9%. Meanwhile, 91.6% of respondents preferred Steam. Bravo, Randy. Bravo.
Disappointingly, 53.9% still would buy it on Steam if it influenced exclusivity going forward. Even if it is Steam—which has a record of providing better service than its competitors—exclusivity helps nobody.
GOG being pushed out of the market. They’re one of the only stores that actually give you ownership of your games, and they don’t have the same indomitable foothold that Steam does.
It would be all too easy for Microsoft to strangle one of their key markets by taking a loss on sales and offering publishers 150% sales price in exchange for exclusive distribution of 90s and 2000s era PC games or console ports.
Steam will end up pushed out of the market
This has been explicitly attempted 3 times already, and that really didn’t work out well for anybody who tried it.
Epic Games Store still resorts to bribing people with free games to keep their monthly active user numbers up, hemorrhaging money to attract users who are rarely interested in anything more than freebies.
EA and Ubisoft tried to forgo Steam releases in favor of their own stores and launchers in an attempt to keep 100% of the revenue. They eventually relented, releasing their games on Steam again. Even Blizzard joined in, adding Diablo 4 and Overwatch 2 to Steam.
And Microsoft’s attempt to dethrone Steam by releasing games through the Windows app store just ended up with Valve funneling considerable resources into helping Linux and WINE become a viable alternative to Windows for gaming.
Unless Valve enshittifies or legal shenanigans ensue, they’re pretty unlikely to be pushed out of the market. No single game or game series is good enough to capture the entire market of Steam users and permanently drive them to alternative platforms. On top of that, Steam has a huge following of users who are loyal to the company, which is both insane and insanely hard to compete against.
or they will also become Streaming Platforms
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t see it happening, though. Valve makes money hand over fist from digital sales alone, and they have more to lose in pissing off their customers by selling subscriptions than they have to gain by selling subscriptions.
I am concerned about GOG and PC hardware prices, though.
As long as the kernel keeps supporting loading and executing processes with 32-bit code, they don’t even need to go that far. There shouldn’t be much stopping Valve from just supplying libraries themselves inside a container. In fact, that’s what the Steam Linux Runtime “Sniper” does.
To preface, I support SKG. I’m not at all disagreeing with the movement, and I understand the point of SKG is to be setting a standard going forward that will force developers to stop doing this bullshit.
My argument wasn’t that SKG is bad. My argument was that the developers arguing against the movement are getting hung up on and bikeshedding about multiplayer and live service games. I was trying look at it from the perspective of a developer and explain that we (consumers) understand that it’s not reasonable (for various reasons) to demand that they release the entire stack of backend services used by a game.
Games like Pal World still manage to publish their dedicated server binaries without publishing the dedicated server browser, and that’s all we actually want. Shitheels like PirateSoftware are being disingenuous and framing it as though the movement is entitled and asking for the impossible.
Now, to respond directly:
All of these things are already somewhat modular and very scalable in implementation, by very, very intentional design.
For horizontal scaling, yes.
So… running a rented VPS or decently beefy home server that is just geared toward handling a much, muuuuch smaller total player count, with just one of every required module, instead of being networked to 5,000 other server units dispersed around the globe?
Respectfully, and as someone who has run community game servers, it’s still not that simple or straightforward. A single private server can exist on a beefy machine or VPS and be fine. A private server designed to scale horizontally has much higher minimum requirements.
I’ll use Minecraft as an example:
A private server for friends or a small community is exactly as you described. You download Paper, install MariaDB for SQL, and throw it on a VPS.
A large community server is a lot worse. You still have MariaDB and Paper, yeah. But now you have multiple shards of Paper, with one shard per world. These shards need to have a low-latency way to communicate and share information with each other, so now you need to set up a Redis server. And now since you have multiple shards, you need to set up the Waterfall/BungeeCord server software to act as an ingress. On top of that, with multiple shards you’re going to want multiple nodes, and that now involves creating a private network.
You can run all that on a single dedicated server, but it’s not going to be as cheap or simple to set up. Multiple gigabytes of memory are being wasted just on overhead for those services.
The problem here is that with newer games like Destiny 2, the server architecture is almost definitely designed for large-scale usage. If Bungee released the server and matchmaking software tomorrow, only people like us would actually have the experience and resources to host it. And if their server software was designed to only run within a container orchestration environment like Kubernetes, it would be even worse.
In contrast to Destiny and going back to my other comment, Team Fortress 2 was designed before horizontally scalable dedicated game servers were common. It’s easy to distribute and easy to host.
Have you ever run any dedicated private game servers, have you ever managed a remote server cluster/cloud/whatevercorpobuzzword?
My previous paragraphs should speak for themselves.
Just design a basic non scaling model that works for a lower player count with a simple dedi server model.
Which won’t ever happen with AA or AAA devs unless it’s legally required. It costs development time, probably won’t ever be used internally, and doesn’t bring in money. The suits won’t allocate resources towards that out of the goodness of their hearts, which is why SKG needs to be successful.
This is actually remarkably easier and more simple to code than what the industry does now… if you’ve ever run or coded any servers.
It’s really not.
In an ideal scenario where you have time to actually plan things out, you have a shared, common library for the game logic and two different projects that use the library for dedicated servers running under self-hosted or scalable environments.
If something like player inventory storage is handled by a dedicated service in the scalable environment, you can’t use the same code for the self-hosted environment. To solve that, you create a InventoryStorage interface, a SQLBackedInventoryStorage implementation, and a MemoryBackedInventoryStorage implementation. Now you have abstraction, which makes the code harder to follow for on-boarding and maintenance purposes.
Or, you could have two different implementations of the dedicated server. That comes with even worse problems stemming from code duplication. If you want to make sure those two implementations are fully compatible with each other, you also have to add full integration tests… and the only common interface between them is the game client network protocol.
Also uh, obviously they won’t release the source code. That would indeed be an insane legal/financial nightmare.
Food for thought: what if the server source code is written in some scripting language like JavaScript or Python?
But… a compiled binary for a server?
That’s gotten a final update that strips out what they don’t directly own?
This is almost always going to be a viable option, but it’s not a 100% guaranteed solution.
Particularly when it comes to shit like patents, you’re entirely at the whims of the patent holder. A hypothetical example: the game absolutely needs to license some super-optimized physics simulation for its gameplay, and the only way they get that license is if it’s not distributed to other parties. The easy solution is to only run the simulation on the server side, but if the server has to be distributed as well, that’s a bit of a problem. Because it’s patented, they can’t just create their own copy of the library.
Uh yeah, if I somehow decompiled the Source engine and its Havok code, and then freely distributed that or built something with it I sold for money, I’d get sued into
oblivionXen.
Good reference. Well played.
Nah, it absolutely is, this was the standard norm for the vast majority of games until the new industry norm became games as service, always online.
I really should have phrased that differently.
It’s reasonable to expect dedicated server executables.
It’s not reasonable to expect the entire tech stack used for the online services to be made available. For a shitty example that’s straight to the point, I don’t think Oracle would appreciate it if their SQL server was released alongside the server software to run a MMO.
They intentionally introduced this new paradigm that fucks consumers, the old paradigm of releasing server tools often even before EoL worked fine, they just got greedy.
Absolutely.
One disagreement is technical: can developers provide communities with a safe, functional iteration of their servers to deploy freely in such a way that discontinued games continue to operate?
The answer is “probably not”. The devs speaking out aren’t wrong about this. This requires rebuilding the entire concept of server architecture for games and centralized servers. Not only are older games probably unsalvageable for that process, but any game that is buying online services would be priced out and you’d end up with only the largest publishers being able to afford basic features like, say, matchmaking.
I think a lot of the devs speaking out are missing the forest for the trees.
There are unquestionably technical challenges involved in having to release the server software for games. These aren’t the days of Team Fortress 2, and a lot of multiplayer games require clusters and massive tech stacks to handle authentication, persistent storage, and cross play. Add on to that legal challenges like licensing of third-party software, and yeah, it’s nearly impossible for a publisher to just release source code or an executable file for the server software.
Multi-player games being killed is an issue, but it’s not the big issue that preservationists and consumers care about. The big issue is single player games being designed with the requirement that they connect to publisher servers for activation or for some multi-player component, then the publishers shut down the server and render the entire game inoperable. For example, I have an old CD copy of Bioshock for PC (a completely single player game) that I can’t do fuck-all with unless I crack it, because it’s tied to Games for Windows Live.
It’s not reasonable to expect a developer to make their proprietary server code available after a game reaches end of life, and I absolutely agree with the devs on that point. It’s more than reasonable to expect a developer to not be allowed to lock the entire game behind a limited-life service that isn’t strictly required for it to be a playable game.
going after trump’s businesses will probably avoid a military response
More likely, it makes the poor baby (-hands) cry and throw a tantrum. Being the malignant narcissist he is, he thinks the resources of the United States government are entirely at his disposal. With that in mind, he’s absolutely going to demand a military response to any attacks on his businesses.
Whether saner heads prevail, all we can do is hope.
Oh yeah. And the rechargeable mouse that needs to be flipped upside down to charge simply because the designers hated the idea of people leaving it plugged in constantly. Or the Mac Pro wheels that cost almost as much as an entire handheld PC.
What long weekend? Their asswipe of a boss doesn’t believe in anything but the 80-hour workweek for employees, and there’s no way he’s not demanding more overtime to rebuild after this fuck-up.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted here.
Apple is the company that brought us:
Their entire software and hardware is an affront to personal ownership, right to repair, and consumer rights.
To be fair to Ubisoft, the newest Prince of Persia game was a great metroidvania game.
To be fair-er to Ubisoft, they can go fuck themselves for closing down the studio that made said game only a few months later.
They can make good games. They just clearly would rather rehash the same tired formula that they’ve been running with for the past decade while unreasonably expecting to make more money each time.
Ok, now suppose you want to release a game for any of the modern Nintendo consoles.
You need to get a devkit. To get it, you need Nintendo to approve your request, and you need to pay them for a license to use the devkit hardware. And, to actually use the devkit, you need a PC running Windows.
Sure, to develop a game for PC, you need a PC. But do you know what you don’t need on top of that? A devkit and a Windows license.
Edit: Two downvotes in two minutes? Oh my, the sockpuppets are angry today.
Unless you have the other SSDs physically disconnected, you’re still running the risk of having your other installations affected by ransomware.
Oh, fuck off. Targeted advertisements don’t help users with anything other than spending money on things they don’t need. They lived perfectly fine before seeing the ad, they don’t need what it’s trying to peddle.
The only poorer outcomes are for Meta and their advertisers. Don’t try and frame this as though it would hurt actual people, Meta.