Mama told me not to come.

She said, that ain’t the way to have fun.

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Cake day: June 11th, 2023

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  • Again, I don’t think it really does.

    Let’s say I identify an officer that shot a pepper ball at a protester. Let’s say I report it to the news, file a complaint, and file a lawsuit. Here’s what I expect to happen:

    • news agency runs a small piece on the incident, perhaps naming the officer, perhaps not
    • police does an internal investigation and determines the officer was acting within their duties
    • lawsuit is dropped because I don’t have standing (I’m not the victim), and if I did have standing, the agency might get fined and the officer retains their position

    That’s not real accountability IMO, real accountability would result in the officer getting investigated by the AG or something and potentially jailed for using excessive force.







  • The solution IMO isn’t to make a bunch of rules to try to make them act better, the solution is to increase accountability. That means:

    • end qualified immunity - when tried in court, they should be held to similar standards as citizens
    • change how investigations of police officers happens - AG role should change to protect the people, not the state

    At the same time, we should increase salaries of police officers to encourage good cops instead of power hungry cops, and perhaps have cash rewards for officers who turn in other officers for criminal violations.

    If we focus on laws to force police to act better, they’ll just give themselves a pass.



  • I’m trying to avoid using the term fascist, because it means something specific but nobody can really agree what that thing is. For the purposes of this discussion, I’d prefer to say “authoritarian”

    It’s more that people probably know what it means, but choose to misuse it to smear their political enemies, and then other people who don’t know what it means repeat it.

    Here’s a clear definition in case you or anyone else that reads this isn’t clear on it (or pick your favorite dictionary, it’ll be similar):

    A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

    Is a network of cameras with facial recognition fascist according to that definition? No. Is it useful to people pushing for such a government? Yes. Is it useful to other authoritarian systems of government? Yes. Is it useful to non-authoritarian systems of government and non-government entities, including private citizens? Also yes.

    I wouldn’t call traffic cameras invasive because they’re only at (some) intersections.

    What if they’re at every intersection, stop signs included?

    If the only thing that turns something into an authoritarian system is scale, then it’s not the system that’s authoritarian, but the way they’re used that is authoritarian.

    I oppose red light cameras not because they’re authoritarian in and of themselves, but because they can be used by authoritarians to screw people. I oppose Ring doorbells not because they’re authoritarian, but because the corporation has control and can hand that data over to authoritarians without consent from the owner (or be compelled by authoritarians).

    “Authoritarian” is an adjective that describes people, governments, or policies, not inanimate objects or software systems.

    A private citizen recording people in public and the government doing so are fundamentally different

    Exactly! The capability to record the public isn’t authoritarian, the government policy of recording the public is authoritarian.

    This may sound like a pedantic point, but I think it’s an important one. If cameras are authoritarian, then ban cameras and the problem goes away right? The government will just use radar, track financial transactions, or something else entirely, and you have the same problem.

    The real problem isn’t cameras or facial recognition, but that the government tracks people. To solve that problem, we shouldn’t ban the various ways the government can track people, we should ban the government from tracking people. Don’t b regulate the tools, regulate the people using the tools.