Something needs to route the PC to the server

I don’t want client-server model. I want sharing model. Like with Briar.

The only kind of “servers” might be relays, like in NOSTR, or machines running 24/7 like Briar mailbox.

IP. How would I go about replacing it? I don’t know, I think Yggdrasil authors have written something about their routing model, but 1) it’s represented as ipv6, so IP, 2) it’s far over my head, 3) read the previous, I don’t really want to replace it as much as not to make it the main common layer.

I’ve personally played with Gemini a few months ago, and now want a new Internet as opposed to a new Web.

Replace IP protocols with something better. With some kind of relative addressing, and delay-tolerant synchronization being preferred to real-time connections between two computers. So that there were no permanent global addresses at all, and no centralized DNS.

With the main “Web” over that being just replicated posts with tags hyperlinked by IDs, with IDs determined by content. Structured, like semantic web, so that a program could easily use such a post as directory of other posts or a source of text or retrieve binary content.

With user identities being a kind of post content, and post authorship being too a kind of post content or maybe tag content, cryptographically signed.

Except that would require to resolve post dependencies and retrieve them too with some depth limit, not just the post one currently opens, because, if it’d be like with bittorrent, half the hyperlinks in found posts would soon become dead, and also user identities would possibly soon become dead, making authorship check impossible.

And posts (suppose even sites of that flatweb) being found by tags, maybe by author tag, maybe by some “channel” tag, maybe by “name” tag, one can imagine plenty of things.

The main thing is to replace “clients connecting to a service” with “persons operating on messages replicated on the network”, with networked computers sharing data like echo or ripples on the water. In what would be the general application layer for such a system.

OK, this is very complex to do and probably stupid.

It’s also not exactly the same level as IP protocols, so this can work over the Internet, just like the Internet worked just fine, for some people, over packet radio and UUCP or FTN email gates and copper landlines. Just for the Internet to be the main layer in terms of which we find services, on the IP protocols, TCP, UDP, ICMP, all that, and various ones and DNS on application layer, - that I consider wrong, it’s too hierarchical. So it’s not a “replacement”.

Honestly every law usable to keep a business working that would fail otherwise is shady. Other than preventing (literal physical) theft, robberies and murders.

Especially if it limits your freedom to do whatever you want that doesn’t involve stealing, robbing, killing, raping, putting stuff on fire …

It’s not feudalism, it’s the usual fascism in making. Maybe with some capitalist mechanisms.

The problem with so much leftist thought is precisely that it denies agency to those it seeks to liberate.

Which is why at some point I decided that I’m fine with explaining my opinions though Trotskyism and not anarcho-capitalism. I didn’t stop being ancap in essence (recently went to an ancap group in TG and was glad to see that the main principles haven’t been lost), but in Russia most people around use communist terms and logic on politics without even realizing it. Even the right-wing and nationalist kind talk like that (the official “communist” party doesn’t, though, it sounds like moderate nazis with weird symbolic). And if I want to find a way to improve something, it very clearly doesn’t lie in conceiving a structure and then trying to make it real through power or deceit.

I think they do understand what they are doing. Just like with modifying a “protected” program locally, a native one. They are making laws about what you can and can’t do, and outlawing tools allowing you to do that.

Honestly until it’s possible to make laws forbidding you to do something that doesn’t violate anyone, such will be made. If you can spend N money if forcing something through markets, and a bit less than N if lobbying for a law, then you’ll do the latter.

Anyway. The problem is in the Internet and the Web as things which encourage this behavior.

Much drama.

I agree about semantic web, but the issue is with all of the Internet. Both its monopoly as the medium of communication, and its architecture.

And if we go semantic for webpages, allowing the clients to construct representation, then we can go further, to separate data from medium, making messages and identities exist in a global space, as they (sort of, need a better solution) do in Usenet.

About the Internet itself being the problem - that’s because it’s hierarchical, despite appearances, and nobody understands it well. Especially since new systems of this kind are not being built often, to say the least, so the majority of people using the Internet doesn’t even think about it as a system. It takes it for given that this is the only paradigm for the global network. And that it’s application-neutral, which may not be true.

20 years ago, when I was a kid, people would think and imagine all kinds of things about the Internet and about the future and about ways all this can break, and these were normal people, not tech types, and one would think with time we wouldn’t become more certain, as it becomes bigger and bigger.

OK, I’m just having an overvalued idea that the Internet is poisoned. Bad sleep, nasty weather, too much sweets eaten. Maybe that movement of packets on the IP protocol can somehow give someone free computation, with enough machines under their control, by using counters in the network stack as registers, or maybe something else.

Salami slicing tactic is a bit different, it’s putting separate elementary components of a mechanism by themselves, carefully. Until it’s whole and can be turned on.

It’s what the Silicon Valley people have done with the Internet. Since its creation, I mean. It’s designed as a totalitarian system. I wonder if there are backdoors in the IP protocol, or at least BSD reference stack that was adopted by almost everyone. But even if there are none, the system itself is architecturally ephemeral where democratic mechanisms can put a base, and perpetual where authoritarian ones can put a base. It’s centered on “who talks to whom” and not on “which messages are preserved and propagated and on which subjects”. Some brilliant minds are on the wrong side.

Or maybe I’m having a bipolar psychosis again and need to take my pills. Or maybe both.

Called power imbalance.

Well, yeah, what I meant is that “separate but equal” and a few other variants are really, sincerely, existent here. Which is why people in Russia of the village bum kind sometimes like Confederates, but if they’d meet a white person from the US really thinking shit of descendants of people their ancestors had enslaved, and thinking they are worse, there’d be livid fury. But it’s overall different, even neo-Nazis here are usually about hostility to people of some groups, and about “purity of race” and “it’s our land, let them go back to <T>”, but the “some being better than others” and the “right to enslave and treat badly” things look completely wild from here even for many neo-Nazis.

So - what happens if you say publicly to a crowd of “old white dudes”, preferably of the middle-upper social layer, that white people are absolutely just as good as black people?

Leads me to a question, like someone from Russia where we have our problem of casual racism, but not quite the clean nature of the US one, we have racism very diverse and dependent on the context (some think A are better than B, some that they are equal, but A and B sleeping together warrant a murder, some that A are better than B, but them sleeping together is fine, some that A and B are equal, but should be eternally hostile and don’t owe each other noble conduct, or maybe both inequality and segregation, but noble conduct is owed always … we have multitude of kinds, and for multitude of separations, and in general it’s not a clear and firm problem).

And by you using such a designation it seems you are from the US.

How do your non-supremacists (average people) react to a statement that they are exactly as good as black people? How do your supremacists react to such?

(Say, here the first kind would generally not understand why would you say that, or laugh and joke something about how in the ideal world you would be right ; and the second kind would generally respond with sarcasm.)

Unions’ power is in being inclusive. Ideology makes divisions.

No way. Someone is looking into an open window. Wow.

As a user land developer, you can have glibc or musl, initd or systemd. Is dbus being used? They all work differently.

I would expect Windows RT and Windows CE to somewhat differ too. Despite being NT.

Why would an application developer care about the init system? Start scripts and units for demonized stuff can be honestly made by users and maintainers, if that’s expected to be packaged. If it’s not, it’s half an hour of googling to make functional enough ones for most purposes.

DBus is such a common thing that there are applications not working without it running, and nobody really complains. You can assume it is, or you can ignore its existence. That’s changed by installing\uninstalling DBus. Not a difference between two operating systems, LOL.

glibc or musl - yeah. Different enough. Still the OS is the same, can use a musl chroot from a glibc system. Can use as many chroots as you want.

I am genuinely unsure if you’re so out of touch that you think the average lemmy user doesn’t deserve to have opinions that deviate from your own (otherwise they’re uneducated, uncultured swine to you, apparently), or you’re so high on your ego, a hit stronger than a laced joint, that your only way to respond is to elevate your podium and attempt to lower your opposition’s.

Neither, I just wanted you to substantiate your opinions instead of making up sophisticated insults, and since you didn’t, did the same. I don’t care if a specific opinion deviates from mine, is similar to mine, is completely opposite or orthogonal or however one could describe full disconnect between our realities, I engage in arguments to get some valuable matter of discussion.

It’s also kinda hard to be friendly when someone isn’t even trying.

Hello from the second day by the way. Coffee was delicious.

More of a tea person, honestly, don’t like how coffee affects my blood pressure and ability to concentrate. But good for you.

You probably should be busy in manual agricultural work then.

Since unions are about common interest and ideally orthogonal to ideology, I’ll add that my subjective interest, as someone living in Russia, is that US tech workers were offshored and/or replaced by immigrants. Because that will long-term weaken the US as an aggressive nation, by losing qualifications.

At the same time if US tech unionized, that could mean weakening the incentive for that aggressive behavior, and weakening big companies.

Hard to decide really. Basically the only bad variant is if it’s half-done, enough unionization to stabilize, but also not too much so that they’d still have enormous foreign labor resources. That would mean very powerful corporations and no change in politics.

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/LICENSES/preferred/GPL-2.0 (Direct link to the GPL 2.0 license, since you likely don’t have the initiative to scroll 10% down the page)

It’s very telling to even expect that someone here doesn’t know what GPL is.

take the time to read and download The Cathedral and The Bazaar so you can read arguments for the current model that aren’t fresh from your ass

It’s probable that I’ve been a Linux user and interested in it for longer than you, and I’ve read Raymond’s thing at least 12 years ago. I’ve also read some counterarguments.

BTW, at this current point in time I’m again closer to the “bazaar” than to the “cathedral” side of the argument. And Linux isn’t.

In general, having a text in support of something is not a final argument. Honestly it’s weird to encounter it being used as such from someone who’s likely literate more than in first generation.

I’m fine with arguments fresh from my ass if those are more than you can present. And that’s how arguments among intelligent people work, FYI.

Oh and Caesar from Fallout: New Vegas called, he wants his misrepresentation of dialectics and philosophy back, you ignoramus prick.

It’s unfortunate that your intelligence doesn’t allow you to see how clumsy this is, to call someone names instead of, again, providing arguments.

and return to monkey

Yippikayee mothafocka

Oh. It’s you again. Good to see your shallow takes haven’t changed.

I don’t remember you, but I get Dunning-Krueger vibes from things you write which seem to be typical “Linux as a success story” quotes without insight.

Can’t you have the foresight to actually read and research

I prefer to observe them in the wild. I mean, that is what’s called research, but it strongly seems that you by research mean something else.

why things like the FOSS projects we rely on are validated? Linux is owned by no one, and is used by everyone who wants to.

This is as fallacious as “scientific communism” and for the same reason. Because there are dimensions of this where the general consensus of those actually applying resources is neutrality, where it works as you say, and there are dimensions where it’s not.

Or you might read that Karl Popper’s article on the blind zones of dialectics. Corporate participation in a big common open project works similarly to dialectics.

Corporate users are a feature, not a bug, and if anything, their adoption does more to cement the success of the project more than anything else.

Having a stronger Prussia did nothing of the sort for the HRE, and having Ustinov as minister of defense with all his power did nothing of the sort for the USSR, and Google did nothing of the sort for the Web.

But I prefer to live this through with many things today, rather than try to fix it to my limited ability.