It’s easy to take a black and white stance like “this is never okay,” but reality is never that clear cut. What if she was exhibiting behaviors that put other residents at risk? Should the long term care facility just put up with her and risk the safety of other residents, or should they take steps to remove her? This is just one of many possibilities that are not black and white. Again, we have literally no info to go off of, and we won’t because this woman’s situation is protected health information.
You mean we have absolutely zero information in a situation where we’re responding to a post that literally gives us some information?
If you want to speculate about theoretical violent old women, I guess you can. But even then, let’s roll with it. So apparently you’re saying it’s possible that she’s violent and if so then it would be reasonable of them to throw her to the curb. So you think it’s okay if they throw her out to die, in that hypothetical. That’s your values. And I’m happy to say that I don’t mirror them.
My wife worked in the memory care section of a assisted living facility. She quit primarily because the sheer amount of physical abuse from the residents was taking its toll on her health and she was pregnant at that time so it was risking more than just her own life. Many people become violent once dementia starts setting in. Since they no longer have the mental faculties to handle the situation they lash out and they don’t hold back. Some of these folks are surprisingly strong despite being in their 80s/90s/100s and in their heads they think they’re fighting for their life, when in reality they’re just refusing to take their twice daily heart medication for example, or refusing to let the nurse plug them in for their thrice weekly dialysis (which is extremely deadly if any dialysis sessions are missed)
Not the other person you’re talking to, but let me take a stab.
First off, I want to point out that you ask your question as if it’s difficult to answer, but it’s not. If the issue really is violence, the first thing that pops into my mind is bringing in specialists that can treat or rehabilitate her, to make her safer for herself and the other residents. Failing that, they could move her to a different facility better equipped to handle violent 93 year olds. If the issue is just that she’s refusing to pay but has the money, file a civil suit and have the rent taken out of her estate. If the issue is that she has no money, help her start a go fund me or whatever, so she can raise the money. Better yet, find ways to reduce or waive her rent so they she can continue to live there for free.
At no point should they consider making a 93 year old with possible mental health issues fucking homeless, and it’s concerning that you’re implying that that’s the only option.
But you don’t know what among these options have already been tried. You can’t just force someone to move to a different facility unless they have a guardian, and I can only assume this woman does not have a guardian and has capacity to make her own decisions. Again, we do not have the information necessary to draw a legitimate moral judgment for or against this facility
But you don’t know what among these options have already been tried.
This is irrelevant if we’re talking about a hypothetical. It’s also irrelevant if we aren’t, because my list is by no means exhaustive, just things I came up with off the top of my head.
You can’t just force someone to move to a different facility unless they have a guardian
Right, no one suggested that. When I suggested that she be moved to a facility better suited to her needs, I was implying that the proper avenues would be used to do that. I wasn’t suggesting anyone force anyone to do anything, and it’s concerning that that’s the conclusion you jumped to.
I can only assume this woman does not have a guardian and has capacity to make her own decisions
Followed up immediately by
Again, we do not have the information necessary to draw a legitimate moral judgment for or against this facility
Is just really funny, and I hope you’re able to see that.
Also, we definitely do have enough information to make a legitimate moral judgement on a facility that evicted a 93 year old and had her arrested and forcibly removed from her home.
It’s easy to take a black and white stance like “this is never okay,” but reality is never that clear cut. What if she was exhibiting behaviors that put other residents at risk? Should the long term care facility just put up with her and risk the safety of other residents, or should they take steps to remove her? This is just one of many possibilities that are not black and white. Again, we have literally no info to go off of, and we won’t because this woman’s situation is protected health information.
You mean we have absolutely zero information in a situation where we’re responding to a post that literally gives us some information?
If you want to speculate about theoretical violent old women, I guess you can. But even then, let’s roll with it. So apparently you’re saying it’s possible that she’s violent and if so then it would be reasonable of them to throw her to the curb. So you think it’s okay if they throw her out to die, in that hypothetical. That’s your values. And I’m happy to say that I don’t mirror them.
My wife worked in the memory care section of a assisted living facility. She quit primarily because the sheer amount of physical abuse from the residents was taking its toll on her health and she was pregnant at that time so it was risking more than just her own life. Many people become violent once dementia starts setting in. Since they no longer have the mental faculties to handle the situation they lash out and they don’t hold back. Some of these folks are surprisingly strong despite being in their 80s/90s/100s and in their heads they think they’re fighting for their life, when in reality they’re just refusing to take their twice daily heart medication for example, or refusing to let the nurse plug them in for their thrice weekly dialysis (which is extremely deadly if any dialysis sessions are missed)
Ok, let’s roll with it then. What would be your solution in this hypothetical situation that avoids removing her from the premises?
Not the other person you’re talking to, but let me take a stab.
First off, I want to point out that you ask your question as if it’s difficult to answer, but it’s not. If the issue really is violence, the first thing that pops into my mind is bringing in specialists that can treat or rehabilitate her, to make her safer for herself and the other residents. Failing that, they could move her to a different facility better equipped to handle violent 93 year olds. If the issue is just that she’s refusing to pay but has the money, file a civil suit and have the rent taken out of her estate. If the issue is that she has no money, help her start a go fund me or whatever, so she can raise the money. Better yet, find ways to reduce or waive her rent so they she can continue to live there for free.
At no point should they consider making a 93 year old with possible mental health issues fucking homeless, and it’s concerning that you’re implying that that’s the only option.
But you don’t know what among these options have already been tried. You can’t just force someone to move to a different facility unless they have a guardian, and I can only assume this woman does not have a guardian and has capacity to make her own decisions. Again, we do not have the information necessary to draw a legitimate moral judgment for or against this facility
This is irrelevant if we’re talking about a hypothetical. It’s also irrelevant if we aren’t, because my list is by no means exhaustive, just things I came up with off the top of my head.
Right, no one suggested that. When I suggested that she be moved to a facility better suited to her needs, I was implying that the proper avenues would be used to do that. I wasn’t suggesting anyone force anyone to do anything, and it’s concerning that that’s the conclusion you jumped to.
Followed up immediately by
Is just really funny, and I hope you’re able to see that.
Also, we definitely do have enough information to make a legitimate moral judgement on a facility that evicted a 93 year old and had her arrested and forcibly removed from her home.