And the Russians support Ukraine accept that the territory no longer belongs to them, and demilitarize so the millions of Ukrainians who’ve fled can come home and rebuild.
That’s not supporting peace, “I want the other side to just give up” is not materially different than the most bloodthirsty warhawk’s position.
Then what would you advocate in Gaza? I think Israel should absolutely just cease hostilities immediately and walk away from the conflict. Does that make me the most bloodthirsty warhawk? Such weird logic.
Israel should be dissolved give full, democratic rights to Palestinians, including the ones they’ve kicked out, and return their homes. A two-state solution simply leaves Palestine as a rump-state controlled by Israel, as the PA has been. Apartheid in South Africa didn’t end with the colonizers taking all the best land, encircling the natives, and then giving them a state that is dependent on the white state.
A 1-state solution in Ukraine would leave the Ukrainians a minority within an oppressive regime, you’d have an insurgency forever, even if the US stopped sending weapons.
The only solution that is feasible at this time is for the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine to split off, the Ukrainian parts to remain, the fascists purged, and Russia to pay for rebuilding/reeducating Ukraine. Do I think Russia will do the last two? Probably not.
Why advocate for the dissolution of Israel but not of Russia? What were you intending to do with the Israeli people? Why not split Israel and Gaza along linguistic lines as you propose to split Ukraine? Your solution in Gaza/Israel is the complete capitulation and dissolution of Israel, the invader, reversing the situation as it is, whereas your solution in Ukraine is a two state carving up of Ukraine, the invaded, and no negative consequences for Russia, the invader. Why the discrepancy?
Why advocate for the dissolution of Israel but not of Russia
If we dissolved Russia tomorrow and created a new state including all Russian and Ukrainian territory, you’d have the Ukrainian areas immediately fighting to secede, and the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine probably vote to remain.
What were you intending to do with the Israeli people
Give them equal rights to the Palestinians, with minority protections/representation after giving the Palestinian people their homes back and allowing the ones who fled to Egypt and surrounding countries to return home.
Why not split Israel and Gaza along linguistic lines as you propose to split Ukraine?
Russia and Israel are fundamentally different entities; the Israeli settler-colonial project requires the continued ethnic cleansing of its claimed territory and it’s status as an American outpost requires it take hostile action against anyone America wants to fuck with, currently Iran and Syria; meanwhile Russia did a simple calculus:
Option 1: Don’t invade
Expected result: hostile, NATO-backed state 50 miles from Moscow who can act with impunity and we can’t respond
Option 2: Spend 3 days driving to Kiev, replace government
Expected result: Pre-2014 status quo of Ukrainian buffer state.
I support the invading army to stop invading and go home. Keep their own soldiers alive as well, to go home and be with their families.
And the Russians support Ukraine accept that the territory no longer belongs to them, and demilitarize so the millions of Ukrainians who’ve fled can come home and rebuild.
That’s not supporting peace, “I want the other side to just give up” is not materially different than the most bloodthirsty warhawk’s position.
Then what would you advocate in Gaza? I think Israel should absolutely just cease hostilities immediately and walk away from the conflict. Does that make me the most bloodthirsty warhawk? Such weird logic.
Israel should be dissolved give full, democratic rights to Palestinians, including the ones they’ve kicked out, and return their homes. A two-state solution simply leaves Palestine as a rump-state controlled by Israel, as the PA has been. Apartheid in South Africa didn’t end with the colonizers taking all the best land, encircling the natives, and then giving them a state that is dependent on the white state.
Wow. And the reason that that’s the wrong response to Russia invading Ukraine is…?
A 1-state solution in Ukraine would leave the Ukrainians a minority within an oppressive regime, you’d have an insurgency forever, even if the US stopped sending weapons.
The only solution that is feasible at this time is for the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine to split off, the Ukrainian parts to remain, the fascists purged, and Russia to pay for rebuilding/reeducating Ukraine. Do I think Russia will do the last two? Probably not.
Why advocate for the dissolution of Israel but not of Russia? What were you intending to do with the Israeli people? Why not split Israel and Gaza along linguistic lines as you propose to split Ukraine? Your solution in Gaza/Israel is the complete capitulation and dissolution of Israel, the invader, reversing the situation as it is, whereas your solution in Ukraine is a two state carving up of Ukraine, the invaded, and no negative consequences for Russia, the invader. Why the discrepancy?
If we dissolved Russia tomorrow and created a new state including all Russian and Ukrainian territory, you’d have the Ukrainian areas immediately fighting to secede, and the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine probably vote to remain.
Give them equal rights to the Palestinians, with minority protections/representation after giving the Palestinian people their homes back and allowing the ones who fled to Egypt and surrounding countries to return home.
Russia and Israel are fundamentally different entities; the Israeli settler-colonial project requires the continued ethnic cleansing of its claimed territory and it’s status as an American outpost requires it take hostile action against anyone America wants to fuck with, currently Iran and Syria; meanwhile Russia did a simple calculus:
Option 1: Don’t invade Expected result: hostile, NATO-backed state 50 miles from Moscow who can act with impunity and we can’t respond
Option 2: Spend 3 days driving to Kiev, replace government Expected result: Pre-2014 status quo of Ukrainian buffer state.