It’s different from prior vaccines. So much so that they changed the definition for vaccine so the new one would fit it.
No, the definition of vaccine has not changed. I’m assuming you’re attempting to quote this article, but through the lens of Fox News propaganda: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8656271/ If you read the publication (I know, that’ll be difficult for you), it clearly states that there was a prior need that was made apparent to ensure that various groups in the scientific community, as well as laypeople, to have a consistent definition of various terms. However, “Vaccine” as defined, has always meant using methods to train the body how to respond to infection without causing infection.
It’s being pushed by untrustworthy entities.
Source?
It’s got serious side-effects.
What’s “It’s”? I’m assuming you’re talking about Hydroxychlorine? That definitely has serious side effects. If you’re talking about the covid vaccines?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24001270 All but a few observed side effects were above the baseline expected conditions for a given population. The one you’re probably thinking of is myocarditis, because it was one that was higher than expected. It’s “serious”, but not necessarily life threatening. Also, it’s at a rate of about 3 people per 100,000, and unvaccinated people who caught covid were 5x more likely to experience it compared to vaccinated in any condition.
It is being pushed by the biggest propaganda campaign I ever saw. It really is impressive, and scary, to see the media and the public so in-synch.
I can tell a lot of effort went into this but the person you are talking to clearly has no ability to recognize empirical evidence. They are utterly guided by their own uneducated feelings and nothing will convince them otherwise. I applaud you on your efforts though. Lot of good information here.
I don’t disagree, they’re an incredibly propagandized individual, but engaging in discussions like that gives me practice for engaging in discussions with similarly propagandized people I know IRL. It’s helped me convert at least one person from an anti-vax conservative into a moderate at least leftist.
I’ve given up. I don’t have it in me anymore to keep trying. Never was able to get anyone back to reality after they went deep into it. Friends and family. It’s a terrible damn problem. Basically a big chunk of society needs to be deprogrammed and I haven’t seen anything that will do the trick.
Not that I’m in any way disparaging your efforts. Good luck and god speed. Maybe you’ll find some sort of magic that will flip the switch. You’d be a motherfucking hero, no irony.
I’m too autistic to engage in these discussions with people because I cannot comprehend how they can just completely ignore irrefutable data just because they don’t feel that it is correct. It utterly baffled me that people can be so controlled by their emotions to the point of just straight up rejecting reality.
Like, I get it. I understand it on a psychological level and how they are just victims of their own innate human psychology but I for the life of me cannot have a discussion with these people about it because they just do not listen nor care about facts and I have no patience to dance around it for the sake of protecting their fragile egos.
Yes, you know the truth. And everybody around you knows the truth. And all of the right authorities agree with you. And this is all completely logical, obvious, right and scientific. And anybody who thinks otherwise is wrong, bad and insane.
No, the definition of vaccine has not changed. I’m assuming you’re attempting to quote this article, but through the lens of Fox News propaganda: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8656271/ If you read the publication (I know, that’ll be difficult for you), it clearly states that there was a prior need that was made apparent to ensure that various groups in the scientific community, as well as laypeople, to have a consistent definition of various terms. However, “Vaccine” as defined, has always meant using methods to train the body how to respond to infection without causing infection.
Source?
What’s “It’s”? I’m assuming you’re talking about Hydroxychlorine? That definitely has serious side effects. If you’re talking about the covid vaccines?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24001270 All but a few observed side effects were above the baseline expected conditions for a given population. The one you’re probably thinking of is myocarditis, because it was one that was higher than expected. It’s “serious”, but not necessarily life threatening. Also, it’s at a rate of about 3 people per 100,000, and unvaccinated people who caught covid were 5x more likely to experience it compared to vaccinated in any condition.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-pseudoscience/anti-vaccine-propaganda-robert-f-kennedy-jr
https://www.tamug.edu/nautilus/articles/v32-i2-AntiVaxx.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-pentagons-antivaccine-propaganda-endangered-public-health-and-tarnished/
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes
https://wiisglobal.org/the-politics-of-fear-right-wing-anti-gender-and-anti-vaccination-narratives/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-vaccine_activism
Sure thing, champ
I can tell a lot of effort went into this but the person you are talking to clearly has no ability to recognize empirical evidence. They are utterly guided by their own uneducated feelings and nothing will convince them otherwise. I applaud you on your efforts though. Lot of good information here.
I don’t disagree, they’re an incredibly propagandized individual, but engaging in discussions like that gives me practice for engaging in discussions with similarly propagandized people I know IRL. It’s helped me convert at least one person from an anti-vax conservative into a moderate at least leftist.
Not who you were responding to.
I’ve given up. I don’t have it in me anymore to keep trying. Never was able to get anyone back to reality after they went deep into it. Friends and family. It’s a terrible damn problem. Basically a big chunk of society needs to be deprogrammed and I haven’t seen anything that will do the trick.
Not that I’m in any way disparaging your efforts. Good luck and god speed. Maybe you’ll find some sort of magic that will flip the switch. You’d be a motherfucking hero, no irony.
I’m too autistic to engage in these discussions with people because I cannot comprehend how they can just completely ignore irrefutable data just because they don’t feel that it is correct. It utterly baffled me that people can be so controlled by their emotions to the point of just straight up rejecting reality.
Like, I get it. I understand it on a psychological level and how they are just victims of their own innate human psychology but I for the life of me cannot have a discussion with these people about it because they just do not listen nor care about facts and I have no patience to dance around it for the sake of protecting their fragile egos.
I’m essentially a modern day Ignaz Sammelweis.
Yes, you know the truth. And everybody around you knows the truth. And all of the right authorities agree with you. And this is all completely logical, obvious, right and scientific. And anybody who thinks otherwise is wrong, bad and insane.
It’s an old story.
Gods, you’re boring. Piss off with your utterly fallacious arguments.
Actually, they changed the definition to remove the “made from weakened organisms” part. To allow this other kind of “vaccine”.
Now take a breath.
Breathing just fine, thank you. I’ve been vaccinated