Its not enough for the government to fall. The corporations must all go too.
Yes! Death to the entire AmeriKKKan state, including all its bourgeois institutions, whether they are “public” or private.
I never want to hear the word “private” again unless we’re talking about fuckin’ or a toothbrush
private … toothbrush
I will NOT hear such revisionism from you, comrade! The toothbrushes WILL be COMMUNAL!
Me, knowing I like to brush with wasabi:
You:
Not to lib out on main, but the average American deserves to have their civilian homes destroyed just as little as the average civilian of any country.
I want to point out here that this comment is also an expression of the type of western fragility I’ve discussed elsewhere in this thread. Americans are in no danger of having their civilian homes destroyed by anyone other than their own government (edit: more likely blackrock, the actual master of their government lol). Least of all for anything related to this meme or what it represents. Americans, as a group, are not the victims of imperialism. They are its perpetrators.
To quote Pinhead in Hellraiser II, when an evil guy forces an autistic girl to open a puzzlebox, and summon the aforementioned demon:
It is not the hands that summon us, but desire.
Of course. It’s a meme and the over-the-top expression of a real and valid hatred of America as a state is part of the joke.
Why does he hate the Native American nations’ people so much?
Surely that’s worse than the descendants of the colonisers.
I don’t think he’s talking about the Native people of occupied Turtle Island, known by its colonial name as “America”.
Edit: of course if we take the idea of “turning the American soil to ashes” literally and seriously then I totally understand what you mean. That’s one of many reasons why it shouldn’t be meant literally and seriously.
“turning the American soil to ashes” literally and seriously
shouldn’t be meant literally and seriously
Oh shit. Did my autism strike again? So hard to keep up with these elusive non-literal non-serious meanings and interpretations.
… But what if they originally also meant it “literally and seriously”? :O
Oh shit. Did my autism strike again? So hard to keep up with these elusive non-literal non-serious meanings and interpretations.
Sorry! I didn’t mean to ambush you with the subtext. /sincere
I posted this as a joke, as much as I hate America, I don’t want its soil to be literally turned to ashes because I think holding that as a sincere sentiment would be unhealthy and unproductive and actually doing it would not be a good solution to the problems America presents and would harm many innocent people. Personally, for me, the humor of the meme comes from expressing a real (and I think common and valid) anger with America as a state in an absurd and over-the-top way, somewhat in the same style as Slammer memes (if you’re familiar with those).
… But what if they originally also meant it “literally and seriously”? :O
Well, I don’t know what’s in the mind of the person in the picture. It’s certainly possible they did. There are many people around the world who have understandable reasons to feel and express rage like that, even if seriously “turning the American soil to ashes” is not a good thing to do.
I posted this as a joke,
I meant my reply in light spirit too.
as much as I hate America
Love the sinner, hate the sin. And make sure not to fall into casting guilt by association and committing collective punishment.
I don’t want its soil to be literally turned to ashes because I think holding that as a sincere sentiment would be unhealthy and unproductive and actually doing it would not be a good solution to the problems America presents and would harm many innocent people.
Yep.
Except maybe portions of pine forests (in moderation, as nature already provides), which appreciate the ash, and helps them grow and sprout more seeds.
Hey! Maybe that’s the “war of great justice” they mean. Maybe they’re just really into pine forests. ;D
Slammer memes
Had to look it up.
“The whole subway’s mine for the slammin’.”
Apt.
America is the sin. It’s a crime that the country even exists.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
I would like to point out that this is primarily a line used by evangelicals to obscure their very real hatred of so-called “sinners”.
In my opinion the reactions people have to memes like this are broadly symptomatic of western fragility. The people around the world who truly, really hate America (and even sometimes hate Americans) are generally the victims in this situation, rather than Americans who are the targets of a dislike which has no power structures behind it and does not affect them materially. The analogy to “anti-white racism”, while not perfect, clarifies this in my opinion. I’ve expanded on it elsewhere in this thread.
Why would I want to “kill America” when my friends and family live there? I only want the Trump administration out and to pay for their crimes.
I question your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
The horrors of American imperialism did not begin with Trump. We killed 20% of North Koreans during the Korean war. Can you imagine 1 in 5 people you know being murdered? All while the other 4/5 starve? Our war planes would come back from missions without dropping a single bomb because there was nothing left to hit. The North Koreans lived underground for years, they built schools and hospitals underground because nothing above ground would last. This is standard procedure. We are doing this in Gaza right now and have done this for centuries. You only care about Trump because he affects you personally and it disgusts me. Amerikkka does not deserve to exist. Its history is one of endless holocausts and the world will rejoice when it finally meets its end.
Read Endless Holocausts by David Michael Smith and An Indigenous Peoples History of the United States by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz
Sure, America has been a pretty shitass state for a while. But when you say it shouldn’t exist, do you mean that it’s state and power structures should be completely demolished and reworked, with the general population and working class minimally harmed, or should it’s people also be removed? Because former is really fucking hard, but would be really good, and the latter is just bad.
The problem people have with ‘death to amerikkka’ is that they value the people of America, and it’s culture. (Though there is something to be said for the culture being imperialist as well.) The mechanics of how the American empire could actually fall are pretty damn messy.
The former of course. I am not for genocide even if it is Americans. It is hard yes but it must be done. There does need to be reeducation though and the culture of Americans would need to drastically change. The US will cease to exist in our lifetime I only hope the world doesn’t go with it.
Sure, America has been a pretty shitass state for a while.
More or less its entire existence, unfortunately.
Comrade Sharkfucker stated clearly that America (the name of the state) does not deserve to exist. In my opinion there aren’t grounds in their comment to infer genocidal intent as (I think, I may be wrong) you are in your reply.
The problem people have with ‘death to amerikkka’ is that they value the people of America, and it’s culture. (Though there is something to be said for the culture being imperialist as well.) The mechanics of how the American empire could actually fall are pretty damn messy.
The Ayatollah Khamenei (IIRC) already had to explain on TV to Americans that “Death to America” refers to the American state and not its people. You’re correct that the end of America could be messy but, not to sound rude or argumentative, that is the problem of the American people and not the victims of America. If America is going to fall in a less messy manner rather than “the hard way”, so to speak, then likely the people of America will need to take action and carry out a revolution to bring that about before the collapse is forced onto them by circumstance.
Sadly, in my opinion, a lot of the upset people feel in response to seeing “death to america” comes from a sort of fragility and self-centeredness of those who aren’t affected by America’s actions abroad and therefore aren’t bothered by them, or who in some cases are perhaps not aware of them in great detail or don’t understand the true scope and consequences of the American empire. As an analogy (not a perfect one), people being upset about “death to america” strikes me as a similar power dynamic as those upset about “anti-white racism”, but in the latter example we all (I hope) know better.
Reminds me of White Fragility. How as white people we often become defensive when you discuss racism with us, because we have a poor understanding of racism, and are likely to feel personally attacked.
Cognitive dissonance too.
From what I can tell, a lot of (white) Americans have been taught from a young age that they’re living in the greatest country in the world and that they’re the good guys.
Because (white) Americans have few interactions with non-Americans and non-American viewpoints through culture, when you point out America isn’t particularly great or good, this causes psychological stress, and can lead to emotional reactions.
This is why I usually avoid making jokes at America’s expense when I interact with Americans, because they invariably become emotional about it. Best to flatter them a bit first, so their feelings don’t get hurt. It is what it is. Can’t blame them too much. People are people, and most Americans are people.
I agree with what you’re saying, but I have a comment on the last paragraph.
I think it’s necessary to confront Americans with this. If they’re coddled and allowed to continue existing in a world where their exceptionalism is treated as the default, there’s no chance they’ll ever change. I think at least online they should be force to confront the idea that, to many people in the world, their country is a despicable force of evil and destruction.
Beyond that, I’m tired of spaces online revolving around Americans, their news, their political opinions, and their chauvinistic worldview. There are 8 billion people in the world, and I think Americans are the ones who should have to reckon with the fact that perspectives which conflict with theirs are just as, if not more, valid. When they’re catered to in spaces like this, they keep coming back and spewing more chauvinism, which makes the spaces hostile to everyone else.
Of course, this depends on where and how and who I’m talking to, as well as the purpose of the conversation.
You are right IMO that it’s very much like white fragility and also disproportionately a problem with white Americans.
People are people, and most Americans are people.
Haha, just caught that little bit of flair at the end of your comment. Good one.
I get where you’re coming from, but as you also mentioned it depends on the purpose of the conversation. I think it was Napoleon who said to never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
Obviously we’re in for a rough few years, and it sucks for the sensible Americans even if they should do more to fight for what’s right, but ultimately the rampant chauvinism and exceptionalism is accelerating American imperial decline.
It’s a bit like the guy who keeps bragging about how big his dick is. Sure you could tell them it makes the ladies drier than a bag of saw dust, but perhaps it’s for the best that you don’t stop him.
I know this is a bit controversial, but I think this is why Trump’s partly been a blessing in disguise. He’s so disgusting that it’s become impossible for politicians in allied countries to continue pretending America is a bastion of freedom. They can longer pretend the US considers its allies as much more than client states.
Fair points. To be honest, my main concern when commenting in spaces like these is the state of “leftist” spaces, since that’s what’s directly affected by the act of commenting. I think allowing the chauvinism to run unchecked without being confronted makes these spaces quite painful to inhabit, especially for those targeted by that chauvinism.
Related to what you’ve said, I’ve got one of the classics from the Chinese internet… You might enjoy it in the unlikely event you haven’t seen it before.
Remember JDPON Don. Internationalists are in control. Trust the plan.
Kickass comment right here, with the fragility you described displayed throughout the thread LOL
Kickass comment right here
Thanks!
with the fragility you described displayed throughout the thread LOL
I really should have expected that, I suppose, lol.
Hey so, what do you think would be the end result of American soil turned to ashes?
Jesus Christ, this is exactly the fragility I was referring to. A meme about a (AFAIK Korean, so he would have very understandable reasons to feel this way) guy saying this has you crying about a fictional genocide against Americans.
You are from the first world. You are not the victim of genocide. You’re basically crying about anti-white racism over hyperbole in a joke meme.
Oh so the meme was about a fictional genocide? I was confused because I was told there was no genocidal intent, sorry my bad!
fictional genocide
no genocidal intent
fictional
Yes, I’m glad you understand and I could clear that up for you.
Do you also cry like this when people say “racist” things about white people?
They’re .ml accounts, you shouldn’t expect any reason from them.
Similar question to those who spit hatefully at Israel, like they don’t realise they sound like “they do bad, so we must do worse”.
they sound like “they do bad, so we must do worse”
This is a strawman of the general pro-Palestine crowd and more or less exactly replicates zionist framing of the whole discourse.
People have a right to spit hatefully at “Israel”. Frankly from my perspective it’s strange not to feel a desire to do so (meaning, not to feel a hatred of “Israel”).
And as horrific as 1 in 5 is to imagine, look at the Georgia Guidestones (~ Oh, that’s right. You can’t, any more, because someone blew it up). If following the crazy billionaire club’s depopulation plan depicted on the Georgia Guidestones, that’s nearer 19 in 20. Imagine 20 people you know… 1 of them survives. That’s their plan. (And probably an order of magnitude worse, to give themselves more breeding headroom).
Or… Maybe they care (/s) and they’re going to give us (/s!) each the spaceships they’ve been keeping secreted from us from over 175 years of technological development sequestering1. And that’s how they’ll reach the Georgia Guidestones target. :3
… Or maybe we have to take it and provision it to each other ourselves. We have so much headroom without the crooks. Aint about the countries. That’s just what they use to keep us divided and conquered by. How about we stop falling for it.
1 Inertial dampening tech started being developed and deployed on hot air balloons in the early to mid 1800s!? Huh. Who knew? High frequency faraday cages, eh? Cool. Imagine putting that around something safe in the vacuum of space instead of a hot air balloon… once the field has the inertia dampened to zero, that’s almost no energy at all required to go accelerate rrrrrrrly fast. And turn and stop really fast too. Wont feel lit. And can have a broader field cause an emergency stop instantly if you ever get too close to anything. I hear they’ve long since developed the tech so these spaceships can print another of themselves instantly… So wait, we can emancipate everybody, avail all space to everybody, yet still they’re doing a pantomime of resource wars, and professing there are too many people here and thus need to be culled? wat
Basically this exactly, you said it better than I could!
because a single individual and his circle aren’t responsible for the few centuries of war crimes and abuse against humankind, the forefathers of this country were human traffickers. Just the past 50 years have enough material to convince anyone that this country’s foundations are genocide, destruction and wealth hoarding. Humanity will only be free once this imperialist beast implodes, which won’t take too long apparently, considering how well it treat its own citizens.
I’m well aware of US history. I’m only making the contrast between who I want punished right now. I don’t think regular folks with working brains should pay for the sins of the few. Does that clear things up?
Like that’ll sort it out. Like the problems started with the latest puppet.
IF they were actually made to pay for their crimes with the currently defined punishments, it would absolutely do a lot to sort it out. Publicly executing everyone involved in their treason would be a great deterrent.
But that’s a really big if.
I strongly doubt that.
It’d just be business as usual for the big club.
Just sacrificing another asset to be able to carry on, feeding the baying masses some placatium.
My comment was assuming that the law would continue to be enforced.
Then surely it should be stated explicitly so.
IDK where you got the quote “kill America”, but you know that America has been like this long before Trump and will be like this after him, too? If your problem is solely with Trump, you either don’t understand America at all or don’t care at all about people in the rest of the world.
I believe the gentleman in the image is from the DPRK, surely you can see why he might dream of a “great war or justice” against America, the country which destroyed his in the “Korean War” and then has continued to crush it as much as possible ever since with various measured including sanctions, causing at one point a period of famine?
Edit: “Why would I want to kill Germany? My friends and family live there.” I hope you can see how this sentiment in 1940 might be analogous for many people in the world today. America is a merchant of global misery for its own benefit. Many people have great cause to want its ability to do that to be stopped.
Death to America
, of course,
مرگ بر خامنهای:)
The War of Justice is the Presidency of a former TV game show host with dementia, one Donald J Trump.
Remember, a fish rots from the head first.
JDPON Don destroying AmeriKKKa from the inside. /j
LOL!
I think I love you.
I have to be honest with you, I stole all of these (including the emoji above) from things I saw on Hexbear lol.
We’re happy to share comrade!
Spreading the word of the Hexbear emoji collection across the fediverse.
Hey, it’s all good! :)
We’ll need to do better to find the head then.
Don’t fish rot from the eyes1 first. <-
Also… Isn’t it more the octopus of global control that’s the real source of consternation and contention?
Where do octopi rot from?
Or is it squids? Who are the real squids?
1 spies.
