I don’t think he’s talking about the Native people of occupied Turtle Island, known by its colonial name as “America”.
Edit: of course if we take the idea of “turning the American soil to ashes” literally and seriously then I totally understand what you mean. That’s one of many reasons why it shouldn’t be meant literally and seriously.
Oh shit. Did my autism strike again? So hard to keep up with these elusive non-literal non-serious meanings and interpretations.
Sorry! I didn’t mean to ambush you with the subtext. /sincere
I posted this as a joke, as much as I hate America, I don’t want its soil to be literally turned to ashes because I think holding that as a sincere sentiment would be unhealthy and unproductive and actually doing it would not be a good solution to the problems America presents and would harm many innocent people. Personally, for me, the humor of the meme comes from expressing a real (and I think common and valid) anger with America as a state in an absurd and over-the-top way, somewhat in the same style as Slammer memes (if you’re familiar with those).
… But what if they originally also meant it “literally and seriously”? :O
Well, I don’t know what’s in the mind of the person in the picture. It’s certainly possible they did. There are many people around the world who have understandable reasons to feel and express rage like that, even if seriously “turning the American soil to ashes” is not a good thing to do.
Love the sinner, hate the sin. And make sure not to fall into casting guilt by association and committing collective punishment.
I don’t want its soil to be literally turned to ashes because I think holding that as a sincere sentiment would be unhealthy and unproductive and actually doing it would not be a good solution to the problems America presents and would harm many innocent people.
Yep.
Except maybe portions of pine forests (in moderation, as nature already provides), which appreciate the ash, and helps them grow and sprout more seeds.
Hey! Maybe that’s the “war of great justice” they mean. Maybe they’re just really into pine forests. ;D
I would like to point out that this is primarily a line used by evangelicals to obscure their very real hatred of so-called “sinners”.
In my opinion the reactions people have to memes like this are broadly symptomatic of western fragility. The people around the world who truly, really hate America (and even sometimes hate Americans) are generally the victims in this situation, rather than Americans who are the targets of a dislike which has no power structures behind it and does not affect them materially. The analogy to “anti-white racism”, while not perfect, clarifies this in my opinion. I’ve expanded on it elsewhere in this thread.
Why does he hate the Native American nations’ people so much?
Surely that’s worse than the descendants of the colonisers.
I don’t think he’s talking about the Native people of occupied Turtle Island, known by its colonial name as “America”.
Edit: of course if we take the idea of “turning the American soil to ashes” literally and seriously then I totally understand what you mean. That’s one of many reasons why it shouldn’t be meant literally and seriously.
Oh shit. Did my autism strike again? So hard to keep up with these elusive non-literal non-serious meanings and interpretations.
… But what if they originally also meant it “literally and seriously”? :O
Sorry! I didn’t mean to ambush you with the subtext. /sincere
I posted this as a joke, as much as I hate America, I don’t want its soil to be literally turned to ashes because I think holding that as a sincere sentiment would be unhealthy and unproductive and actually doing it would not be a good solution to the problems America presents and would harm many innocent people. Personally, for me, the humor of the meme comes from expressing a real (and I think common and valid) anger with America as a state in an absurd and over-the-top way, somewhat in the same style as Slammer memes (if you’re familiar with those).
Well, I don’t know what’s in the mind of the person in the picture. It’s certainly possible they did. There are many people around the world who have understandable reasons to feel and express rage like that, even if seriously “turning the American soil to ashes” is not a good thing to do.
I meant my reply in light spirit too.
Love the sinner, hate the sin. And make sure not to fall into casting guilt by association and committing collective punishment.
Yep.
Except maybe portions of pine forests (in moderation, as nature already provides), which appreciate the ash, and helps them grow and sprout more seeds.
Hey! Maybe that’s the “war of great justice” they mean. Maybe they’re just really into pine forests. ;D
Had to look it up.
“The whole subway’s mine for the slammin’.”
Apt.
America is the sin. It’s a crime that the country even exists.
I would like to point out that this is primarily a line used by evangelicals to obscure their very real hatred of so-called “sinners”.
In my opinion the reactions people have to memes like this are broadly symptomatic of western fragility. The people around the world who truly, really hate America (and even sometimes hate Americans) are generally the victims in this situation, rather than Americans who are the targets of a dislike which has no power structures behind it and does not affect them materially. The analogy to “anti-white racism”, while not perfect, clarifies this in my opinion. I’ve expanded on it elsewhere in this thread.