I don’t usually have sufficient motivation to post much on any social media platform. This is rare for me. I am putting this out in the world in part hoping for some validation, in part hoping it sparks some kind of social action to save some semblance of privacy and dignity in this modern world.

Warning: this is long.

I just wrote an email to a recruiter withdrawing my interest in pursuing a job (it’s a recruiter hired by the hiring company). I am a software engineer with decades of experience who has been unemployed for almost a year with almost no interviews. I’m hungry for paying work. Yet. I did this. Below is the email I wrote, and it is hopefully self explanatory.

I think my career might be over - especially if the kind of process I experienced is now the standard for hiring. I want nothing to do with it.

I wrote this after multiple days of trying to set up my system for the “assessment”. I ended up having to install Windows 11 (I’m a Linux guy) because the assessment environment simply didn’t work. I tried FireFox, disabled plugins, tried two versions of Chrome - neither would work. It apparently had to be the Google version.

I upgraded an old version of Win 10 (because Microsoft pretty much forced it). Got it to work on Firefox for Windows.

Twice, mid-way through the assessment, it reset itself to square one. I didn’t try a third time. This assessment software monitored my face and would raise an alarm if I looked away. It controlled my microphone. It required full access to every aspect of the browser and had me do an alt-tab partway through this “test” in order to ensure I wasn’t using any other software. Insulting. Invasive. My equipment. My home.

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First, I appreciate your understanding and that you gave me what information you have on how this software works. Now, the hard part. My disappointment will show in the text, and it is not directed at you or your company.

I’m inclined to cease pursuing this. I feel insulted by the process in the first place, but went through it understanding that we, as job seekers, have to accept compromises we would not otherwise accept because having a job is a fundamental requirement to literally survive and provide for our children.

However, the more I’m expected to change my personal, owned equipment and software in an invasive fashion just so some stranger can have 100% surveillance on my activities in my home in order to be considered for a job interview, the more insulted I become.

Granted, I’m unusual. I’ve dedicated myself to protecting my electronic privacy by installing malware and advertisement blockers on my phones, computers, tablets. I use VPN. I built my own home NAS because I am uncomfortable with placing all my personal, financial, and health records into “the cloud” (and being charged for the privilege). I am teaching myself how to use AI by downloading and running models in my home lab because I don’t want to give out my privacy and income to strangers.

I stopped using Windows at home years ago because I could not stand the way it was dictating to me how to run my computer and constantly seeking to part me from my money with distracting advertisements while siphoning everything about me back to their servers to better market to me. Worse, it was forcing me to buy new hardware in order to simply run the system after upgrades.

Here I am, faced with a stark choice. Debase my values for the sake of the possibility of a job with a company that apparently doesn’t consider applicants worthy of dignity, or remain unemployed - possibly forced to exit the career I love if everybody is doing this - and potentially fall into poverty.

If they’re doing this before they even talk to me, it tells me that as an employee I will have at minimum this same level of surveillance. Knowing this in the back of my mind will burn me out in under six months.

Unfortunately, I don’t think I could live with myself if I chose the first option, so I respectfully withdraw myself from this process. I’m a professional. I expect to be treated like one. If there are companies who are serious about hiring a professional, I’m all in. Please engage me.


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    13 hours ago

    No, we want you on our equipment because we can’t trust you to stay secure, virus and malware free. When you crack the screen or have a fan die, we want to leverage our warranties and parts to repair the equipment. We don’t want to give you the keys to our repos and kingdoms to have them delivered to the nearest person adding a keylogger to a fitgirl repack.

    People have actually been found off-shoring their own work to China by installing remote access clients on their work machines.

    Don’t get me wrong, there are asshole companies out there that want to use activity trackers to see what you’re doing, most don’t give a shit and track you by what you do. We don’t need monitoring software to tell if you’re working or that you’re not vibecoding, we can tell by your actual work.

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      12 hours ago

      If your corporation is running windows 11, you can’t be trusted to keep things malware free. If you’re a corporation, you should also respect true capitalist behaviour, and if they can make a profit offshoring, what difference does it make. If, however, you provide robust, *nix based equipment, follow a disciplined SDLC, and are not a corporation, then I might a couple of highly disciplined, experienced systems analysts with a GRC and privacy focus who would love to learn more about you.

      Although you do open with the fact you don’t trust your people, so, probably not.

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        12 hours ago

        You cannot trust your employees to be security and IT conscious. They’re not trained in it. I’ve been in the field for over 30 years and that’s one the few things you can bet on.

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          7 hours ago

          Kinda depends on the role. I mean, I am a GRC, privacy, and security specialist who is usually brought in to teach existing employees how to improve their security awareness, and I have been a consultant in the IT industry for over 25 years. So I usually come in not trusting the employer.

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        8 hours ago

        Yes, anyone who would like to run Fedora, Debian, or Ubuntu, I’d be glad to support. Only had one taker so far, he lasted a few months.