Some might say that the output of large language models doesn’t look all that different from a human writer’s first draft, but, again, I think this is a superficial resemblance. Your first draft isn’t an unoriginal idea expressed clearly; it’s an original idea expressed poorly, and it is accompanied by your amorphous dissatisfaction, your awareness of the distance between what it says and what you want it to say. That’s what directs you during rewriting, and that’s one of the things lacking when you start with text generated by an A.I.
There’s nothing magical or mystical about writing, but it involves more than placing an existing document on an unreliable photocopier and pressing the Print button.
I think our materialist culture forgets that minds exist. The output from writing something is not just “the thing you wrote”, but also your thoughts about the thing you wrote.
The dialog pushing AI media seems to start from this assumption that I consume media just to have colors and words and sounds enter my face holes. In fact, I consume art and media because I like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the same world I do. It’s a form of communication. I like the product but also the process of people trying to capture the bonkers, ineffable experience we all seem to be sharing in ways I would never think of, but can instantly verify.
What’s funny is, due to the nature of media, it’s kind of impossible to not communicate something, even if the artwork itself is empty. When I see AI media I see the communication of a mind that doesn’t know or give a shit about any of this. So in their attempt make filler they are in fact making art about how inarticulate they are. It’s unintentional, corporate dadaism.
While I fully agree with you regarding my reasons to consume media, I’m not so sure if that’s actually a majority opinion. I get the impression that for a lot of people, the point of consuming media is actually just entertainment, something to take your mind off other things, and they don’t care about the communication and connection aspect.
Eh not always, hell I wouldn’t even say it is most of the time.
Art for OTHERS is for communicating.
Art for yourself is everything from glorified shit to slop to trash to works of art, and soul searching .
Art for marketing is better low effort and shot gunned more often then not and that has actual science to back it up.
Art in the grand scheme of things is God damn fucking anything. Meaning or no meaning. Soul or no soul.
Heaven knows iv spent days on clay works that I just toss cause they existed for nothing more then something to do. Iv made paintings that iv proudly hung in my wall. While others I could barely give to shits about and frankly a random ai genned img would have more artistic merit in its prompt then the slop I shat onto the canvas.
Trying to dictate what is and isn’t art always makes you wrong with out expectation. Everything is art no matter what. The only value in art is what each person says it has to them and nothing more or less.
That’s the neat part AI art has value if nothing more then purely utilitarian value. But only if you give it value.
Just as most people don’t value modern art or a fucking banana nailed to a wall. Most won’t give AI art value. And that’s fine.
The problem is everyone fucking trying to say it has value, just as much as everyone saying it doesn’t.
You CANT dictate what art has value to others. Period.
I personally don’t see value in AI art. It’s just a thing that exist. Fuck copyright and really the problem argument anyone ever fucking has over AI art is copy right related. So who the fuck cares, copyright should be abolished anyways it’s God damn fucking stupid.
Not even necessarily a human being! I’d appreciate the fuck out of art if any species made it. But there must be more than uncaring, unfeeling, probabilistic interpretation of input data.
The people pushing AI don’t like like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the world. They actually do just want flashing colors and sounds poured into their face holes. They’re basically incapable of understanding art.
Tangentially related, the easiest way to come up with a unique and cool idea is to come up with a unique and dumb idea (which is way easier) and then work on it until it becomes cool. (Think how dumb some popular franchises concepts are if you take the raw idea out of context.)
I like the way Ted Chiang puts it:
I think our materialist culture forgets that minds exist. The output from writing something is not just “the thing you wrote”, but also your thoughts about the thing you wrote.
The dialog pushing AI media seems to start from this assumption that I consume media just to have colors and words and sounds enter my face holes. In fact, I consume art and media because I like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the same world I do. It’s a form of communication. I like the product but also the process of people trying to capture the bonkers, ineffable experience we all seem to be sharing in ways I would never think of, but can instantly verify.
What’s funny is, due to the nature of media, it’s kind of impossible to not communicate something, even if the artwork itself is empty. When I see AI media I see the communication of a mind that doesn’t know or give a shit about any of this. So in their attempt make filler they are in fact making art about how inarticulate they are. It’s unintentional, corporate dadaism.
While I fully agree with you regarding my reasons to consume media, I’m not so sure if that’s actually a majority opinion. I get the impression that for a lot of people, the point of consuming media is actually just entertainment, something to take your mind off other things, and they don’t care about the communication and connection aspect.
Yes, this is it right here. The whole point of art is communication and connection with another human being.
Eh not always, hell I wouldn’t even say it is most of the time.
Art for OTHERS is for communicating.
Art for yourself is everything from glorified shit to slop to trash to works of art, and soul searching .
Art for marketing is better low effort and shot gunned more often then not and that has actual science to back it up.
Art in the grand scheme of things is God damn fucking anything. Meaning or no meaning. Soul or no soul.
Heaven knows iv spent days on clay works that I just toss cause they existed for nothing more then something to do. Iv made paintings that iv proudly hung in my wall. While others I could barely give to shits about and frankly a random ai genned img would have more artistic merit in its prompt then the slop I shat onto the canvas.
Trying to dictate what is and isn’t art always makes you wrong with out expectation. Everything is art no matter what. The only value in art is what each person says it has to them and nothing more or less.
That’s the neat part AI art has value if nothing more then purely utilitarian value. But only if you give it value.
Just as most people don’t value modern art or a fucking banana nailed to a wall. Most won’t give AI art value. And that’s fine.
The problem is everyone fucking trying to say it has value, just as much as everyone saying it doesn’t.
You CANT dictate what art has value to others. Period.
I personally don’t see value in AI art. It’s just a thing that exist. Fuck copyright and really the problem argument anyone ever fucking has over AI art is copy right related. So who the fuck cares, copyright should be abolished anyways it’s God damn fucking stupid.
Not even necessarily a human being! I’d appreciate the fuck out of art if any species made it. But there must be more than uncaring, unfeeling, probabilistic interpretation of input data.
Hell yeah, otherkin inclusive language
The people pushing AI don’t like like hearing, seeing, and reading about how other humans experience the world. They actually do just want flashing colors and sounds poured into their face holes. They’re basically incapable of understanding art.
I like this a lot. I’m going to thieve it.
Tangentially related, the easiest way to come up with a unique and cool idea is to come up with a unique and dumb idea (which is way easier) and then work on it until it becomes cool. (Think how dumb some popular franchises concepts are if you take the raw idea out of context.)