It is because there is no proprietary e2e encryption by default exclusively while communicating with others on tuta.
E2e encryption for 99.99999% of emails is via passworded pgp that everyone else has and uses or not encrypted at all. I have tuta for years and have yet to send or recieve a single encrypted mail that is the reason that they can’t have a 3rd party app outside of tuta’s own advertisements I get served.
It is vendor lock in. Pure, plain, and simple.
Wouldn’t be as much of a problem if their client wasn’t so bad. No auto moving messages as far as I can tell, absolutely horrid search functionality where I can type the sender email word for word and it will find 0 results, and just having almost no productivity or inbox managing features in general
Fortunate for me, Posteo is a pair service so that their employees can live a good life by working. I get their service. I pay. I don’t like someone else paying for me then show me ads or sell my data.
I’ve been on Posteo for years now, they’ve been rock solid. As for Tuta.io, the issue specifically is no IMAP support, which is what third party email clients need to function.
I thought I’d also mention Protonmail, which might look good, but is in a similar boat. They technically do provide IMAP support, but not in a way that matters. If you wanted to connect Protonmail to Thunderbird or, if you’re an insane person, Microsoft Outlook, you’d need another app running on your PC along with your email app called Proton Bridge, which just sounds like a hassle. No mobile version either.
I’d say stick with Posteo. Alternatively, if you want to use your own domain name, I’ve heard good things about mailbox.org.
My bad, I wasn’t clear enough. I actually meant Proton Bridge has no mobile version, meaning you can only use the official app you mentioned, but not any third party apps like K-9 Mail/Thunderbird or FairEmail.
Aw yeah that makes sense actually on rereading it. I think i was going to try the Proton Bridge at first on moving to Linux but then saw it was only available via their paid version.
That put me off lol, so I’m just sticking to using it via browser and their own mobile app for now.
Their privacy policy expressly states they have access to metadata and they have a non-public blacklist which filters “undesirable” domains. Try creating an account on zlibrary using your Protonmail.
Also worthy of notice, they are legally forced to hand over shitloads of user data as seen in their transparency report.
Not to be a tinfoil hat guy, there’s good reason for this and there’s no free email service that is much better privacy-wise. The actual content of your mails are probably safe with Proton.
Their privacy policy states the obvious, and repeats what’s in the SMTP RFC (821). I can only guess this is because of transparency.
All email providers have access to that information. I would actually argue for them that they are better at letting people know which kind of data they do and don’t have access to.
Every (email) service is bound to the law of the country they reside or operate in. Proton has part of its offerings in Switzerland, part in EU (Germany if I recall well). Swiss FADP is very close to GDPR. Also when it comes to privacy protection. Every company bound to GDPR (or FADP) has to abide to the law, and when law enforcement has a good reason to check out user data, and the judge agrees, any company has to provide evidence.
Even non-EU based companies offering services in EU.
With their transparency report they are providing a tool to their users to know and understand what happens to their data in a lawful manner. And I see that as a win for transparency.
But this is just my opinion, and it is ok to not agree with how I see the world.
I don’t disagree and like I said, you won’t find much better free privacy-oriented email services. Their filter is rather heavy-handed when it comes to “undesirable” domains and as a pirate I’ve run into it enough to seek other services.
Your view of the world is quite reasonable, I think!
Most people don’t need 3rd party clients and just use the web interface or wtv is the native app for the product they are using. Using thunderbird or K9 clients for example is a fringe use case for most people anyway.
I’m not sure I would call using a third-party email client a ‘fringe’ use case. As of yesterday, Thunderbird has 10,992,366 active daily installations. Sure, it’s probably not as many as mobile clients, but that’s still a helluva lot of people using it.
Doesn’t allow third party email clients.
I can recommend Posteo.
AFAIK 3rd party clients not supported cause of lack e2e encryption support
There is a small important distinction.
It is because there is no proprietary e2e encryption by default exclusively while communicating with others on tuta.
E2e encryption for 99.99999% of emails is via passworded pgp that everyone else has and uses or not encrypted at all. I have tuta for years and have yet to send or recieve a single encrypted mail that is the reason that they can’t have a 3rd party app outside of tuta’s own advertisements I get served.
It is vendor lock in. Pure, plain, and simple.
Wouldn’t be as much of a problem if their client wasn’t so bad. No auto moving messages as far as I can tell, absolutely horrid search functionality where I can type the sender email word for word and it will find 0 results, and just having almost no productivity or inbox managing features in general
I still think it would be better to give the user freedom, and just give a warning that there are privacy risks.
I don’t mind non 3rd party, I want it for secondary email for now.
Posteo is paid only unfortunately:(
Fortunate for me, Posteo is a pair service so that their employees can live a good life by working. I get their service. I pay. I don’t like someone else paying for me then show me ads or sell my data.
I’ve been on Posteo for years now, they’ve been rock solid. As for Tuta.io, the issue specifically is no IMAP support, which is what third party email clients need to function.
I thought I’d also mention Protonmail, which might look good, but is in a similar boat. They technically do provide IMAP support, but not in a way that matters. If you wanted to connect Protonmail to Thunderbird or, if you’re an insane person, Microsoft Outlook, you’d need another app running on your PC along with your email app called Proton Bridge, which just sounds like a hassle. No mobile version either.
I’d say stick with Posteo. Alternatively, if you want to use your own domain name, I’ve heard good things about mailbox.org.
Just to clarify - Protonmail does have a mobile app (works great by the way, especially on Graphene)
https://protonapps.com/
My bad, I wasn’t clear enough. I actually meant Proton Bridge has no mobile version, meaning you can only use the official app you mentioned, but not any third party apps like K-9 Mail/Thunderbird or FairEmail.
Aw yeah that makes sense actually on rereading it. I think i was going to try the Proton Bridge at first on moving to Linux but then saw it was only available via their paid version.
That put me off lol, so I’m just sticking to using it via browser and their own mobile app for now.
I deleted my Protonmail after learning about their metadata filtering practices. The more you learn about Proton the sketchier they seem.
Source, pretty please? I’d like to read up.
Their privacy policy expressly states they have access to metadata and they have a non-public blacklist which filters “undesirable” domains. Try creating an account on zlibrary using your Protonmail.
Also worthy of notice, they are legally forced to hand over shitloads of user data as seen in their transparency report.
Not to be a tinfoil hat guy, there’s good reason for this and there’s no free email service that is much better privacy-wise. The actual content of your mails are probably safe with Proton.
Their privacy policy states the obvious, and repeats what’s in the SMTP RFC (821). I can only guess this is because of transparency. All email providers have access to that information. I would actually argue for them that they are better at letting people know which kind of data they do and don’t have access to.
Every (email) service is bound to the law of the country they reside or operate in. Proton has part of its offerings in Switzerland, part in EU (Germany if I recall well). Swiss FADP is very close to GDPR. Also when it comes to privacy protection. Every company bound to GDPR (or FADP) has to abide to the law, and when law enforcement has a good reason to check out user data, and the judge agrees, any company has to provide evidence. Even non-EU based companies offering services in EU. With their transparency report they are providing a tool to their users to know and understand what happens to their data in a lawful manner. And I see that as a win for transparency.
But this is just my opinion, and it is ok to not agree with how I see the world.
I don’t disagree and like I said, you won’t find much better free privacy-oriented email services. Their filter is rather heavy-handed when it comes to “undesirable” domains and as a pirate I’ve run into it enough to seek other services.
Your view of the world is quite reasonable, I think!
LOL. Thats kinda absurd. So many people seem to recommend it but…
Most people don’t need 3rd party clients and just use the web interface or wtv is the native app for the product they are using. Using thunderbird or K9 clients for example is a fringe use case for most people anyway.
I’m not sure I would call using a third-party email client a ‘fringe’ use case. As of yesterday, Thunderbird has 10,992,366 active daily installations. Sure, it’s probably not as many as mobile clients, but that’s still a helluva lot of people using it.
Yeah, only nutty fringe dwellers would want to use an email client to manage their email. /s