The RealVR mod does not include any files from the copyrighted games, therefore does not use anyone else’s IP. It obviously makes reference to the games’ copyrighted content, in order to inform the public of what games it works with. Basically the same concept as an aftermarket addon to a device that is not licensed by the original equipment manufacturer, similar to something like a non-Apple accessory for an iPhone.
Here’s the thing, he and the other modders that are doing this are very much so running a fine line here. They’re modifying the game’s code, sure it’s in memory, but it’s their code they’re modifying to get things to work. It’s not just relying on using existing API calls that are open for them to use. Just because they’re not modifying the files on disk vs modifying in-memory doesn’t mean they’re not using their IP, they certainly are and there’s precedent that this type of action falls under the DMCA.
Take in point that Riot and Bungie and many other companies have DMCA’ed and sued cheat makers and hey those guys were also just selling mods for their games. They also weren’t selling any files from their copyrighted games either they were just selling a framework to inject their software into their games. So question is are you also saying that Riot and Bungie are also DMCA sue-happy people who are Debbie downers that are preventing coders from making money?
Your simplistic, it’s just a phone case, isn’t analogous here.
Don’t get me wrong, IP law is tricky and IANAL but again, when a company politely asks you to respect their ToS and not sell a mod using their IP and you throw a tantrum and manage to piss off your community, well good luck buddy.
Except the entire the reason he got DMCA’d was because he was using c2077 modding tools to create said mod… So either you’re wrong, project red is wrong, or someone else is lying.
If what you said was true then none of these companies would have nothing to stand on, it’s simply its own standalone project that happens to work with these games… Except I think we all know that’s not the truth.
I think you really don’t know what you’re talking about. The mod is not unique to Cyberpunk, it supports several dozen other completely unrelated games with the same installer. I played Dark Souls III and Elden Ring on it, and it was pretty fuckin’ rad. So I’m pissed that these DMCA trolls are killing something awesome. But I still have my copy of the mod so I can continue to use it on the games that don’t get substantially changed with updates anyway.
I don’t think you know either, neither of us can confirm with certainty that he did not use Project Reds tools to built his integration. Key word being integration there.
It might be a completely standalone Installer so that he can keep you trapped in his ecosystem and on a subscription based service, but that has no relation at all to whether or not his program makes use of the tools project red offers to allow these integrations.
If they touch project reds tools at all to give you a good vr experience, then as much as it sucks, they are beholden to project reds rules. More obviously I’m bias as fuck and hate the idea that someone would force others to pay for a mod, especially one adding such a massive QoL feature to beloved games. But hey, if it comes out that he didn’t touch any of said tools at all, then he’ll be fine anyways. The dmca notices will go away and he’ll be free to continue being a drama queen about something else :).
The RealVR mod does not include any files from the copyrighted games, therefore does not use anyone else’s IP. It obviously makes reference to the games’ copyrighted content, in order to inform the public of what games it works with. Basically the same concept as an aftermarket addon to a device that is not licensed by the original equipment manufacturer, similar to something like a non-Apple accessory for an iPhone.
Here’s the thing, he and the other modders that are doing this are very much so running a fine line here. They’re modifying the game’s code, sure it’s in memory, but it’s their code they’re modifying to get things to work. It’s not just relying on using existing API calls that are open for them to use. Just because they’re not modifying the files on disk vs modifying in-memory doesn’t mean they’re not using their IP, they certainly are and there’s precedent that this type of action falls under the DMCA.
Take in point that Riot and Bungie and many other companies have DMCA’ed and sued cheat makers and hey those guys were also just selling mods for their games. They also weren’t selling any files from their copyrighted games either they were just selling a framework to inject their software into their games. So question is are you also saying that Riot and Bungie are also DMCA sue-happy people who are Debbie downers that are preventing coders from making money?
Your simplistic, it’s just a phone case, isn’t analogous here.
Don’t get me wrong, IP law is tricky and IANAL but again, when a company politely asks you to respect their ToS and not sell a mod using their IP and you throw a tantrum and manage to piss off your community, well good luck buddy.
On the other hand, I see modders getting burned out and practically abused by the gaming community.
As much as I love free game mods, some of these mods are massive multi year efforts that are practically a game themselves.
I can’t begrudge them wanting to make a couple bucks. I don’t like it…
I do donate to some mods that I particularly love, but I can’t realistically donate to every mod I use.
Except the entire the reason he got DMCA’d was because he was using c2077 modding tools to create said mod… So either you’re wrong, project red is wrong, or someone else is lying.
If what you said was true then none of these companies would have nothing to stand on, it’s simply its own standalone project that happens to work with these games… Except I think we all know that’s not the truth.
I think you really don’t know what you’re talking about. The mod is not unique to Cyberpunk, it supports several dozen other completely unrelated games with the same installer. I played Dark Souls III and Elden Ring on it, and it was pretty fuckin’ rad. So I’m pissed that these DMCA trolls are killing something awesome. But I still have my copy of the mod so I can continue to use it on the games that don’t get substantially changed with updates anyway.
I don’t think you know either, neither of us can confirm with certainty that he did not use Project Reds tools to built his integration. Key word being integration there.
It might be a completely standalone Installer so that he can keep you trapped in his ecosystem and on a subscription based service, but that has no relation at all to whether or not his program makes use of the tools project red offers to allow these integrations.
If they touch project reds tools at all to give you a good vr experience, then as much as it sucks, they are beholden to project reds rules. More obviously I’m bias as fuck and hate the idea that someone would force others to pay for a mod, especially one adding such a massive QoL feature to beloved games. But hey, if it comes out that he didn’t touch any of said tools at all, then he’ll be fine anyways. The dmca notices will go away and he’ll be free to continue being a drama queen about something else :).